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Old 11-15-2018, 10:02 AM   #50331
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That was all I had to read.
If you interview for 7 people that means you are going to have 7 that think they are your boss. I have no clue about how your industry works but having 7 bosses rarely works out. If an interview consists of more than 2, maybe 3, people and is scheduled to take more than an hour just cut your losses and politely decline. It is an indicator that the place has no clue what they are doing.

It is common to have different peers doing a technical and a cultural/team fit evaluation, plus engineering manager and someone on the project/product side. DevOps often has different technical interviews for each area your expected to work (that should bea hint about how well it works, but noooooo...) And then HR. And maybe a 2 up interview, but that's an indication of management troubles. So... A large interview panel isn't surprising, and may not be quite as bad a sign. But then, it might.


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Old 11-15-2018, 10:29 AM   #50332
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It is common to have different peers doing a technical and a cultural/team fit evaluation, plus engineering manager and someone on the project/product side. DevOps often has different technical interviews for each area your expected to work (that should bea hint about how well it works, but noooooo...) And then HR. And maybe a 2 up interview, but that's an indication of management troubles. So... A large interview panel isn't surprising, and may not be quite as bad a sign. But then, it might.


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OK that makes sense for the industry I guess. In automotive manufacturing if you have more than two or three people, even for a tech position, then you are very probably going to have a bad time in the job. We are much more concerned about skill and knowledge than fit since we will either make you fit or get rid of you really fast.
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That was all I had to read.
If you interview for 7 people that means you are going to have 7 that think they are your boss. I have no clue about how your industry works but having 7 bosses rarely works out. If an interview consists of more than 2, maybe 3, people and is scheduled to take more than an hour just cut your losses and politely decline. It is an indicator that the place has no clue what they are doing.
Now, I could be way off base on this one since as stated I have zero knowledge of your industry but being at a place two years and being "overdue" for promotion sounds pretty optimistic to me. We all would like to climb the ladder quickly but in my industry at least promotion can take several years or even decades.
It’s pretty standard to have a five or more hour on site interview broken into 45-60 minute sessions with different people. In an ideal environment they’re mostly on the same team and evaluating you in several ways to see if you’d be a fit for their particular team. In the industry most people have a problem with it but there are issues figuring out better ways to do interviews where you can filter out false positives vs false negatives.

As far as the promotion thing, not sure what you’re getting that from (earlier posts I guess). For one thing I haven’t been specifically hunting down a promotion. I’m not even looking for a new job as a promotion. However, the thing is in my industry typically you’re a junior engineer for a year or two and then once you’ve learned your position’s responsibilities and added skills necessary to perform well on the team you’re no longer considered junior. Junior basically just means fresh out of college and ideally you’re inexperienced the first six to twelve months until you really feel at ease on the team and with your position.

I have a toxic work environment which is why I’m looking elsewhere. Well, that plus as I mentioned last night they’re folding my role into a position that I’m uninterested in. Devops is quite different from what I actually want to do, and since it is early in my career it’s the ideal time to try pivoting away from a career path I’m clesrly not interested in pursuing now.

Anyway hope that helps you understand .
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Of course on top of that today my boss told me he's working on finally promoting me for the first time despite that I've already been there almost 2 full years full-time and it's long overdue.
This is where you expressed your displeasure at not having been promoted after two years. Maybe you were just venting but - please don't take this as criticism - it's not the first time you've touched on the subject.

Shitty work environments suck the energy out of everything else no matter how hard we try to keep it all separated. Most of us have been there.
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This is where you expressed your displeasure at not having been promoted after two years. Maybe you were just venting but - please don't take this as criticism - it's not the first time you've touched on the subject.

Shitty work environments suck the energy out of everything else no matter how hard we try to keep it all separated. Most of us have been there.
Ah, true. Forgot putting it there.

I think the reason I've mentioned it there is partly for what I explained before, but I've also because I have been working on the same team with the same responsibilities for nearly 3 years (mix of part time and full time) in total.

Anyway, I digress.
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Basically they lured me in under false pretenses.
Well, at least, you found out that company/position isn't for you at this time.

My job interview experience is so outdated, that it would be of no use to you. Back-in-the-day, my interviews were with the hiring manager and lasted about 45 minutes and another 5 minutes with the next higher up.

I suggest you just keep looking around.


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I was in FL, and bought them direct from the factory. I knew one of the sales guys. It was also before I started collecting guns and racing ATVs.



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Lol my work peeps and I were just talking about how no one was prepared for this one. Last night it's an inch at most and not likely to stick on the roads. Now I'm looking at 3+inches on unplowed roads. Good thing I'm working from home today lol.
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OK that makes sense for the industry I guess. In automotive manufacturing if you have more than two or three people, even for a tech position, then you are very probably going to have a bad time in the job. We are much more concerned about skill and knowledge than fit since we will either make you fit or get rid of you really fast.
Yea, it isn't unusual in the tech field as others have said. I interviewed for one job where not only did I have to do an interview with 4 different people, but I had to do a presentation about a subject they gave me in advance because the position required dealing with clients and the Board.

I aced the interview but turned them down because they tried to lowball me.

Worst one I had was with a company I did end up going to work for. I had one 90 minute interview but it was with a panel of 15 Managers/Directors from around the organization, almost none of them technical. What they didn't realize is one of my core competencies is being able to lay on the bullshit when you put me in front of a microphone and a bunch of people that really don't know their subject.

I had another where they interviewed all candidates in one day, they had us all in a "huddle room" and we would go from one interviewee to another then back to the room. About an hour in, we all started exchanging information about the interviewers and what questions they were asking. It was other-worldly.
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Yea, it isn't unusual in the tech field as others have said. I interviewed for one job where not only did I have to do an interview with 4 different people, but I had to do a presentation about a subject they gave me in advance because the position required dealing with clients and the Board.

I aced the interview but turned them down because they tried to lowball me.

Worst one I had was with a company I did end up going to work for. I had one 90 minute interview but it was with a panel of 15 Managers/Directors from around the organization, almost none of them technical. What they didn't realize is one of my core competencies is being able to lay on the bullshit when you put me in front of a microphone and a bunch of people that really don't know their subject.

I had another where they interviewed all candidates in one day, they had us all in a "huddle room" and we would go from one interviewee to another then back to the room. About an hour in, we all started exchanging information about the interviewers and what questions they were asking. It was other-worldly.
I am very glad that I included the disclaimer that I knew nothing about how your field works.


I get the picture now


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I get the picture now
Like I mentioned earlier, the tech industry, at least when it comes to software engineering doesn't have a great system in place. Most newer companies just branch off what the famous big companies (Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.) used to do, even when it doesn't directly apply to their own culture or anything.

Usually that means the interviews are long with multiple interviewers and there's an assumption that you can skip lunch, speak with multiple people over 4+ hours, and then still have a fresh mind to tackle tough questions. I.e. for me yesterday an example of that was being asked to do a recursion problem during hour #6 after a long explanation of a problem completely outside my knowledge domain, while my stomach grumbled out of hunger (barely any breaks; just water/quick bathroom if necessary).

Anyway, it's not great. That's all, and nobody has discovered a better way. So the torture continues.
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$300 for a knife? WTF?! how do you justify that?

Half my kitchen knives are more than that. They stay sharp and hold a wicked edge making them effortless to use. Worth every penny.


If you don't use them, then... Maybe not worth as much.
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