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11-14-2014, 05:47 AM | #29 |
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I bought this car because of the balance, steering, RWD - basically just the "feel" which I love so much. I'm most likely never going to drive it fast enough to get into trouble, or show off and do anything stupid. And I get 33MPG on average, so I'm not dropping the clutch and making hot rod starts off the line. But even at that, just pulling out of my parking space at work while turning, and feeling the rumble and hesitation of the rear while the computer kicks in is annoying.
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I'm all for nannies. I think they're great tools that may mitigate accidents under normal, everyday driving. However, they should be completely off(pedal danced) if one truly wishes to learn this car(under controlled conditions of course). I really like the fact the twins allow full disengagement of all nannies with the pedal dance. Hard to find that in newer cars.
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The pedal dance only makes a difference in two scenarios from what I understand: 1) If you effectively lift a rear wheel under power (it will try to brake the free wheel). 2) Trail-braking using staggered pads. For all other intents and purposes, the 5-second TC press is effectively like having the nannies full off. I just wanted to clarify that, as I don't want people to think an invisible hand will save them from spinning with the 5-second TC press.
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This was after holding the buttons for the 5-count and verifying lights came on. So in some situations, you can do donuts, and other situations, it will intervene. I wish we knew the real entry criteria for TC/VSC intervention. |
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I've done the same.
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So would the pedal dance have made a difference? Because then the throttle wouldn't have been cut off right?
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No difference. Nannies were off per 5-second push. I got myself into a classic over-correction disaster. By the third swing I knew it was game over. Again - incredibly stupid.
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I also don't remember any throttle cuts on the wet skidpad. And that makes sense as the pedal dance should affect electronic brake force distribution (EBD).
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Traction control limits all wheelspin, but the reality of it is maximum acceleration is obtained with wheelspin. In the dry typically around 8-15% wheelspin will offer maximum acceleration, in the wet 2-5% and on ice 0-.5%. This most certainly kills your ability to corner but driving is a mix of both corner and straight line acceleration. Can you accelerate faster with traction control off? -Absolutely, and in certain situations this could be life saving. I'm not saying you should have wheelspin all the time but the fact of the matter is in a situation where you need it, traction control being on won't allow it. If you're not capable of driving your car to the limit then please keep your TC on, but saying everyone should always keep it on when driving on the road is BS.
Snow on the other hand requires a much, much higher amount of wheelspin with snow tires. Upwards of 30-40% wheelspin can offer you the most grip to move forward in deep snow. Most people recommend turning traction control off in the snow, ever wonder why? Last edited by Akari; 11-14-2014 at 05:24 PM. |
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@stugray Thanks for making all these grand assumptions and how they might relate to you and your teenage son. Perhaps I should clarify, turning TC off makes smooth, slow driving 0-30 easier and more relaxing feeling, and keeps the engine feeling peppy because it doesn't cut throttle.
And there's other ways to know you're about to spin out through a corner, you can feel the tires loading up and can sense the countdown to the tires losing grip and take action before it happens. I've driven autoX using all the different TC/VSC sport settings. The first run without TC on I learned very quickly how much of a crutch the TC was allowing me to just throw it into corners mashing the throttle. Tried doing the same thing and resulted in a quick spinout. Leaning about the way the tires loaded up in a corner is essential to knowing how to safely drive the car. Last edited by radroach; 11-14-2014 at 05:37 PM. |
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