high power-low db prototype muffler

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

No way I'm doing that

I'd do that in a heartbeat just for the kitsch factor.

[Scrappydoo]

This has become an exercise in the overelaborate unnecessary. A million miles away from engineering.

[Reamer]

Originally Posted by Scrappydoo

This has become an exercise in the overelaborate unnecessary. A million miles away from engineering.

Because it has an oddly shaped tip to fit our car?

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[Scrappydoo]

Originally Posted by Reamer

Because it has an oddly shaped tip to fit our car?

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That could be one reason. Any other "ideas"?

[Silverfox]

Originally Posted by Scrappydoo

That could be one reason. Any other "ideas"?

Please enlighten us with your heightened awareness to what we don't view as obvious.


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[Calum]

Originally Posted by Scrappydoo

This has become an exercise in the overelaborate unnecessary. A million miles away from engineering.

Because reworking the whole rear bumper to accommodate an oddly placed exhaust tips is kind of ridiculous.

I'm very interested in this product, but if I have to buy exhaust hole covers, wiring, LED bulds, remove the rear lower reflector/reverse light housing, fabricate an insert to fill the hole left by the light assembly, and still end up with a bumper that looks like it has exhaust hole covers and a badly fabricated cover over where a light assembly used to be, I'm out.

I can't for the life of me figure out why they're going down this rabbit hole. Why not just turn the 90's so that they point out, and weld tail pipes to them? If avoiding resonance between the tips is really that important to making the noise regulations, wouldn't an equalizing pipe between them work? Or a single tip?

Their might be a cool factor to this setup, I don't see it myself, but I'm sure some do. But is that really worth the extra money/time/complexity?

[Reamer]

Originally Posted by Calum

Because reworking the whole rear bumper to accommodate an oddly placed exhaust tips is kind of ridiculous.

I'm very interested in this product, but if I have to buy exhaust hole covers, wiring, LED bulds, remove the rear lower reflector/reverse light housing, fabricate an insert to fill the hole left by the light assembly, and still end up with a bumper that looks like it has exhaust hole covers and a badly fabricated cover over where a light assembly used to be, I'm out.

I can't for the life of me figure out why they're going down this rabbit hole. Why not just turn the 90's so that they point out, and weld tail pipes to them? If avoiding resonance between the tips is really that important to making the noise regulations, wouldn't an equalizing pipe between them work? Or a single tip?

Their might be a cool factor to this setup, I don't see it myself, but I'm sure some do. But is that really worth the extra money/time/complexity?

To be fair, this exhaust is somewhat looking for a niche market anyways. Since it is aiming at track-dedicated cars to meet sound requirements, I'm sure some people would just cut out the black section altogether. If not, they have posted pictures of a filler insert to fill the gap in that area that the exhaust doesn't fill (but I'm am not 100% if this actually comes with the production version or not). For the people that want this exhaust that badly, doing the extra bits to make it look better on the road isn't much of a stretch and just gives us an excuse to do something else to the car anyways. For the people that don't want all of the extra work, they stated that a dual and single tip option would be available in the following months, but in the meantime here is the first release.

Originally Posted by AceHeader-MT

We're working on methods to allow for center exit, single exit or dual exit.

Pricing has not been established yet

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Scrappydoo

A million miles away from engineering.

Curious about this. Can you elaborate?

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Calum

Because reworking the whole rear bumper to accommodate an oddly placed exhaust tips is kind of ridiculous.

I'm very interested in this product, but if I have to buy exhaust hole covers, wiring, LED bulds, remove the rear lower reflector/reverse light housing, fabricate an insert to fill the hole left by the light assembly, and still end up with a bumper that looks like it has exhaust hole covers and a badly fabricated cover over where a light assembly used to be, I'm out.

I can't for the life of me figure out why they're going down this rabbit hole. Why not just turn the 90's so that they point out, and weld tail pipes to them? If avoiding resonance between the tips is really that important to making the noise regulations, wouldn't an equalizing pipe between them work? Or a single tip?

Their might be a cool factor to this setup, I don't see it myself, but I'm sure some do. But is that really worth the extra money/time/complexity?

OR you could switch the exhaust and reverse light positions. The exhaust can be in the center, and then you can add two reverse lights were the exhaust used to be! Simple fix!

[Silverfox]

I mean it's a pretty simple remedy. You get a $40 system to run tail as reverse (which looks and operates much better than the original) and you maintain the original aero of the axleback filling the gap in rear.

Anyone who is going to buy this exhaust is already looking for ways to increase performance for track use, and stand out no doubt.

If you want to fill the holes either wait until the dual exit version is released or go buy an invidia N1 like 90% of owners and troll that thread instead.


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[AceHeader-MT]

Everyone is right!

He's how we decided to do the center exit version first:
1. It went along with the AMB aero package we've been developing
2. We needed to produce a muffler with limited restrictions and meet strict sound requirements
3. We thought it was cool

We're selfish in the fact that we design things to help our factory cars improve first. This is not saying a twin tip version can not be aerodynamically efficient, but we hired Andrew Brilliant to help us and this is what we needed. After that we set about meeting the sound requirements.

Yes, there is more work involved to install a center exit muffler then a standard twin tip. There's also more work involved in installing our 4-2-1 headers because of the OP design. Again, that design was because of our specific track needs.

We're just a small shop full of nerds.

For the same reason Prego has 50 flavors of tomato sauce, there are 50 different kinds of exhaust systems. Not everyone like extra chunky...

Thanks for the support everyone and we'll keep updates coming regarding the twin tip version after the holiday.

Happy Driving
Ace Header

[Jmonty]

Originally Posted by weederr33

OR you could switch the exhaust and reverse light positions. The exhaust can be in the center, and then you can add two reverse lights were the exhaust used to be! Simple fix!

I've was looking into this option but like the use of the stock tails and less money

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Jmonty

I've was looking into this option but like the use of the stock tails and less money

This dilemma is the reason I'm waiting for their dual tip/ "normal" version to come out.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Silverfox

I mean it's a pretty simple remedy. You get a $40 system to run tail as reverse (which looks and operates much better than the original) and you maintain the original aero of the axleback filling the gap in rear.

Anyone who is going to buy this exhaust is already looking for ways to increase performance for track use, and stand out no doubt.

If you want to fill the holes either wait until the dual exit version is released or go buy an invidia N1 like 90% of owners and troll that thread instead.


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I'm here, money in hand, waiting to buy the twin tip version.

My reason for wanting this system is to have something that won't rattle and will keep the sound levels in check when I put in a freer flowing front pipe. (I already have an ACE header) I want this to enjoy my car on the street without it being obnoxious.


I will admit that the tails as reverse light kit is very appealing. Having better visibility when backing up would be great, and you're right, it does look better.


Judging by the reactions in this thread, I'm likely on the outside here. I just assumed that anyone looking to buy this mainly for track use wouldn't appreciate having to spend money for things that don't make the car faster. I hadn't realized the design was also for aero purposes, I thought they were just going for a look.