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Old 07-13-2012, 02:48 AM   #169
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The mustang can only beat you to 113 MPH though ^_^
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Negative on the 4th gen Camaro, it was all about the Firebird in those years, especially the White and Blue anni edition WS-6, or the Firehawk.

Anyways, back on topic:

I expected this much. I figured the Mustang would win on the track, I just didn't expect by this margin considering the handling prowess of the 86's chassis. Granted, tires are a huge impact on this, and them going with those eco-tires is ridiculous for this car. But, you're tacking on an additional $1000~ to an already overpriced BRZ/FRS, and considering you can get a V6 track pack way below MSRP, the Mustang is a better value in performance/dollar.

This and the 86 vs Mustang thread have been incredible reads. I haven't been this amused in a long while. Get yourself in check; if you want the 86 because it's "feel and look" that's fine, it's subjective after all. But you have to realize that it's under-tired and underpowered to be a real competitor, it is what it is when they made this engine lacking power in both forms. To say "well I'll just get more power out of it, and that'll teach the mustang a lesson" is a wrong train of thought as well. It'll cost you vastly more money to get the amount of power needed to edge out the Mustang, and if you put equal money into the Stang with a real suspension kit to make it more flat and nimble feeling, it'd end up cheaper perhaps.

The Mustang won here, there's no denying that, and it's the better "bang for the buck" when it's focused on the performance capabilities at the track. People have a negative perspective on these cars, and I don't know why. It's not like the clunkers they've made since the Mustang II. The new Mustangs are the real deal. Not just in performance, but fit and finish, and price. A 5.0 is a steal for what you get out of the car. A Boss is a steal. And a new GT500 I'll admit as someone who adores GT-Rs, 911s, and the likes, is just ridiculously awesome. I may just save up that extra money from a Boss and swing myself one of those.

I understand what these media outlets are doing. It's akin to a parent saying to their kid after losing a game, "you did great, just work on it and you'll do better next time, I know it". And I'm fine with that. As long as it yields a new "MKIV Supra", giving them that motivation to do so, it's cool. We know Toyota is capable of making a real performance deal, in price, and pure performance as well. They just want to give them that nudge to get back in the fray and build some new legends.
I guess I"ll just throw in my two cents. I owned a 2006 V6 Mustang. I liked it so much eighteen months later I bought a 2005 Mustang GT Manual. I sold that then bought the FRS. The GT was fast and brutal--but therein lies the problem. I don't need 'brutal' when going home, picking up milk, and stopping for a haircut on my arduous commute across the streets of Los Angeles. The manual in that car was a freakin box of rocks. The automatics were average at best. The newer automatic select shift transmisisons have gotten so-so reviews. So for a 'real' car you need the manual. But a manual sometimes just doesn't work depending on the region you live in. So the auto in the FRS/BRZ did it for me. It got great reviews all around. Also, and this is personal, I think the Mustangs look dated. If Ford actually made a car like their EVOS concept I would have bought that over the FRS. But the FRS kind of has that 'modern' EVOS look, and not a look that says Vietnam era. I also always wanted an orange car my whole life. So Hot Lava it was.

I bet the 2015 Mustangs (arriving in 2014) will be very, very interesting.
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