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Old 12-27-2013, 01:40 PM   #21239
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Jackson Racing or Kraftwerks? I think the Rotrex is the unit for me (or maybe the intercooled Innovate, but not sure - turbo is out though), but I can't decide on a kit. The price difference is negligible. Intake piping on the Kraftwerks kit looks superior. Cooler on the JR kit looks superior. Both are the same unit though.
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Old 12-27-2013, 01:42 PM   #21240
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Jackson Racing or Kraftwerks? I think the Rotrex is the unit for me (or maybe the intercooled Innovate, but not sure - turbo is out though), but I can't decide on a kit. The price difference is negligible. Intake piping on the Kraftwerks kit looks superior. Cooler on the JR kit looks superior. Both are the same unit though.

I'm going with Jackson Racing.
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Yes, FI for me. Too many embarrassing not-passes. No turbo because too much power. After owning a turbo car and having that "depress throttle, BOOOOOOOM torque" I think I'd like to try the linear powerband of a super.

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Yes, FI for me. Too many embarrassing not-passes. No turbo because too much power. After owning a turbo car and having that "depress throttle, BOOOOOOOM torque" I think I'd like to try the linear powerband of a super.



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Honestly I like the look better than the rest. The ease of install as well
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Yes, FI for me. Too many embarrassing not-passes. No turbo because too much power. After owning a turbo car and having that "depress throttle, BOOOOOOOM torque" I think I'd like to try the linear powerband of a super.



Why?
I'm still completely up in the air. I know turbo is out for me to, but I can't decide between the three kits you mentioned either. Also the Nameless header still has me intrigued. I really want to see what gains that header makes with a SC kit and which ones it fits with. It does come up in front of the engine, but it looks lower profile then the others. Of course they still wont publish an installed pic or any actual info.

Right now, I'm waiting to see where the chips fall on the JR and KW kits. Will people start having bearing problems with the KW? Will the piping on the JR turn out to be a restriction? Will the intercooler on the KW, being partially behind the bumper beam turn out to be a positive or a negative? What headers will fit? Can they actually be tuned remotely despite what Bob says?

Will the fittings on the Innovate kit finally get sealed before it's in the hands of the customer? Why is goose going through belts, and will his latest next size down belt fix the issue?

And of course which one makes more power and where?

There's just too many questions yet.
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Jackson Racing or Kraftwerks? I think the Rotrex is the unit for me (or maybe the intercooled Innovate, but not sure - turbo is out though), but I can't decide on a kit. The price difference is negligible. Intake piping on the Kraftwerks kit looks superior. Cooler on the JR kit looks superior. Both are the same unit though.
I haven't been paying too much attention to FI lately. How are the Innovates holding up?

Intercooled Lysholm-style twin screw is what I'd be looking for.
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I haven't been paying too much attention to FI lately. How are the Innovates holding up?

Intercooled Lysholm-style twin screw is what I'd be looking for.
I remember a long time ago, in the age of this forum, some guys were talking about a newer style twin screw that was much more efficient and offered a compressor size that would match well to this engine. Was that the Lysholm you speak of?

The innovate power figures are all over the map, but very few are actually running the intercooler. I'm guessing the power numbers are only showing how much time was given to allow the engine to cool between runs.

Also there's a lot of issues with the plastic fittings not sealing well and it's turned out that they're british pipe threads. I'm waiting for the first guy to just weld most of the holes shut, put a bulk head fitting in and then just run a vacuum manifold.

And a few guys are having belt issues. Goose has gone through a bunch and had a part of his wiring harness chewed thanks to this.

I'm also wondering about the effectiveness of the intercooler. There's been some debate there, to.
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I remember a long time ago, in the age of this forum, some guys were talking about a newer style twin screw that was much more efficient and offered a compressor size that would match well to this engine. Was that the Lysholm you speak of?

The innovate power figures are all over the map, but very few are actually running the intercooler. I'm guessing the power numbers are only showing how much time was given to allow the engine to cool between runs.

Also there's a lot of issues with the plastic fittings not sealing well and it's turned out that they're british pipe threads. I'm waiting for the first guy to just weld most of the holes shut, put a bulk head fitting in and then just run a vacuum manifold.

And a few guys are having belt issues. Goose has gone through a bunch and had a part of his wiring harness chewed thanks to this.

I'm also wondering about the effectiveness of the intercooler. There's been some debate there, to.
Lysholm was the inventor or patent holder of the twin screw design.

Me and @serialk11r were debating between the efficiencies of the Lysholm/twin screw vs a new Roots blower, the TVS.

The TVS seems to be better on paper but the appropriate size seems to be a unicorn. And the only papers are Eaton's so no independent analysis, especially since there is nothing available to test in the ~2.0l range.

Traditionally the Lysholms have better efficiency because they have designed in compression and better sealing, wheteas a Roots-type just produces boost from blowing a large volume of air, with resistance to flow creating the pressure, but also heat. Roots also traditionally had more leakage past the lobes further hurting efficiency.

But all my SC knowledge is book only. No real world experience, which is why I'm interested in positive displacement. Centrifugal half turbos strike me as a crap halfbreed of turbo and SC belt drive.

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Lysholm was the inventor or patent holder of the twin screw design.

Me and @serialk11r were debating between the efficiencies of the Lysholm/twin screw vs a new Roots blower, the TVS.

The TVS seems to be better on paper but the appropriate size seems to be a unicorn. And the only papers are Eaton's so no independent analysis, especially since there is nothing available to test in the ~2.0l range.

Traditionally the Lysholms have better efficiency because they have designed in compression and better sealing, wheteas a Roots-type just produces boost from blowing a large volume of air, with resistance to flow creating the pressure, but also heat. Roots also traditionally had more leakage past the lobes further hurting efficiency.

But all my SC knowledge is book only. No real world experience, which is why I'm interested in positive displacement. Centrifugal half turbos strike me as a crap halfbreed of turbo and SC belt drive.

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Yes, FI for me. Too many embarrassing not-passes. No turbo because too much power. After owning a turbo car and having that "depress throttle, BOOOOOOOM torque" I think I'd like to try the linear powerband of a super.



Why?
A little off quote but just watched 2 episodes of how it's made and one was turbo car one SC. They put thermal cam to both and turbo gets madddddd hot sc not anywhere near. I know how both work but why such big temp diff?? Never owned FI so this one will be first

Edit they both had intercoolers

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