Why Innovate supercharger?

[Alltezza]

Wow, I'm actually VERY interested in the Sprintex 335. Lol the irony

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Wow, I'm actually VERY interested in the Sprintex 335. Lol the irony

The 335 is a beast - Moto Mike has been doing some testing and apparently has successfully dumbed down the thing so that it can run on a stock-ish motor. Also has tons of potential on a built motor (options for the future if you want to do it in stages).

[2016 Camaro SS]

I wouldn't call the 335 a daily driver blower, lol.

[Chad86]

I am very tempted to go with the 335, but not sure how it would be as a daily driver. Not sure if a turbo is too torquey for daily driving though. @moto-mike mentioned the 210 is like a strong V6 and the 335 is like a strong V8!

The reason I'm unsure about turbo, besides potential engine issues, is I don't want to mess with the NA feel of the engine, but would like some low end torque and larger HP. Others have mentioned a turbo completely ruins the car and you sort of lose what this car was initially all about. I don't think I will be tracking anytime soon, if ever.

Just waiting to hear back from @moto-mike on reliability standpoint of the 335 on a non-built engine.
I'm hoping to be able to hit a reliable and safe 300-350 whp on 94 octane running the 335.

Originally Posted by moto-mike

Sounds good I think we should have no problem getting a few of these out.



People have been holding their breath since the rumors started at SEMA 2013. Reality is that it is just a coating, and the QC and testing process can take far longer than most want to wait. I would not recommend waiting for it. it maybe two weeks, or it may be 2 years, or it may never happen if the testing shows it doesn't hold up or isn't worth it.



210-v6, 335 - v8, rotrex - honda powerband. Nothing wrong with a 300hp honda, but they are totally different animals and there are people that clearly prefer one over the other. But I'd urge that folks compare torque, not HP. Then figure out where you want it.

For example, below are two cars that are only 13 HP apart. Which one do you think is faster? (hint: the one with 80 more torque!)

Originally Posted by moto-mike

Today is the big day. I had to run out of town, and the guys were able to finish up the hardware portion so I can come back in tonight and get the base tune in. We started with our base 210 tune, and then obviously turned down the cam timing and ignition timing. To err on the safe side, ethanol was added to get about a 60% mixture. We're running the Deatschwerks 700cc injectors and the DW65c fuel pump with our flex fuel kit.

Starting it up we had some misfire issues on #2 (this car has had it) and after some hard revving we cleared up and went for a drive.

Initial impressions: The Sprintex base (210) kit makes the car act like a strong v6. This kit? Strong v8. Having tuned just about every variant of this car, I'm incredibly pleased with the power and response. With the winter tires on the car 1st-3rd is a spin fest at WOT. 4th was loose, at 4,500 RPM. Yup, that potent. It isn't just the tires though, it has a ton of pull before it breaks them loose.

But we all know a big blower makes big power. More importantly, we're doing this with timing in the teens, on E60, and very rich AFRs. That means we're at a good baseline with plenty to go.

I know most everyone wants to know if this kit will work on pump gas vs e60. I think it will work as well as any other kit. I'd guess we're 12-14 psi or so, but that's 12-14 psi starting at 2500 rpm. Estimated since we don't have a boost source hooked up yet. We'll run down some of the ethanol gradually and watch the knock counts as we dilute it out. Tuning will be 100% the determining factor here IMO, but we've done tons of 14+ psi systems and I don't see any issue with this kit doing it vs another.

We'll keep updating as we rack up the miles and get more findings. The car sees about 18k/year and we even put snows on it so it can remain the DD.

Until then enjoy the media and the glorious sounds from our shorty intake!

Originally Posted by Fizz

I have the sprintex 210 IC kit, and it certainly doesn't have a mountain of torque like a big V8 would. So no its not twitchy at all. The 335 on the other hand maybe....but I haven't driven that so I wouldn't know.

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Wow, I'm actually VERY interested in the Sprintex 335. Lol the irony

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

The 335 is a beast - Moto Mike has been doing some testing and apparently has successfully dumbed down the thing so that it can run on a stock-ish motor. Also has tons of potential on a built motor (options for the future if you want to do it in stages).

Originally Posted by 2016 Camaro SS

I wouldn't call the 335 a daily driver blower, lol.

Originally Posted by mokinbird87

go turbo if you want big power, dont have to deal with CARB, and you want the best bang for your money. the reason why someone would choose a supercharger over a turbo is for the response (I would assume), which I think innovate provides. to me, same cars can have exactly the same horsepower and torque figures but it`s all about the curve. Innovate kit feels most like the naturally aspirated engine to me, which is important.

[Chad86]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

This is why I swapped from innovate twin screw to turbokit (was also considering a centrifugal sc).

The max amount of power I could make on the twin screw was 230 whp dynojet on 91 oct even with the intercooler.

I also realized when I was driving spiritedly(or tracking) I was never in the low rpms. That is what you buy a FI kit for right? To enjoy driving spiritedly more?

Don't get me wrong, I was pretty happy and excited to have any kind of FI on the car at all. After a few months the novelty of the "low end torque" wore off completely and I was stuck with a kit that heat soaked and performed inadequately on the circuits we have out here.

One moment stands out to me where I was behind a stock BRZ coming onto the front straight and our acceleration down the front straight was almost identical... I wasn't datalogging but I am sure the ecu was pulling timing due to heat/knock. I expected to pass the BRZ at least by the end of the straight but couldn't. I never got to try it with e85 and in some ways I do wish I did. I probably would have enjoyed it more and maybe, just maybe I would have left it on the car.

Anyways, if you just like putting around town and you don't do much "sports" driving, then the twin screw is nice.

Were you running a 210 non-intercooled?

[Alltezza]

Holy shit! I want this kit, if it costs the same as a jackson or vortech I'm all in. I guess I was a little wrong about twin screws.

If I were to daily drive this, you guys think this kit would be pretty reliable?

[Chad86]

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Holy shit! I want this kit, if it costs the same as a jackson or vortech I'm all in. I guess I was a little wrong about twin screws.

If I were to daily drive this, you guys think this kit would be pretty reliable?

Excellent review/impressions of the kit here from @Tj Hunt

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[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Holy shit! I want this kit, if it costs the same as a jackson or vortech I'm all in. I guess I was a little wrong about twin screws.

If I were to daily drive this, you guys think this kit would be pretty reliable?

335 is at 5200$. So its in line with some of the normal turbo kits.

[Alltezza]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

335 is at 5200$. So its in line with some of the normal turbo kits.

Omg lol hopefully after I pay off my car there will be something either more bad ass or something out there.

I actually would pay that kind of money for something that gives that kind of horses. I see that as a pretty good deal. I just don't see a blown engine as a good deal though =\

That's one of the things im concerned with, is the reliability part. But WOW that's so bad ass.

Edit: So if I was to run regular 93 gas, how much would I be looking at to the wheels? Jesus 296 HP? That's AMAZING but he's on E85

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Chad86

Were you running a 210 non-intercooled?

Intercooled

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Omg lol hopefully after I pay off my car there will be something either more bad ass or something out there.

I actually would pay that kind of money for something that gives that kind of horses. I see that as a pretty good deal. I just don't see a blown engine as a good deal though =\

That's one of the things im concerned with, is the reliability part. But WOW that's so bad ass.

Edit: So if I was to run regular 93 gas, how much would I be looking at to the wheels? Jesus 296 HP? That's AMAZING but he's on E85

Two things to keep in mind with the 335. Torque, and .... Torque. Forget about. "300rwhp ", a. 300whp 335 unit will feel much faster than your typical 300whp centrifugal unit, and probably most 300whp turbo kits out there too. Certainly much better throttle response than a turbo- but all that torque will stress your clutch and drivetrain more. Probably still ok when tuned down, but it's beastly and probably not as "reliable" as one if the centrifugal units (albeit a lot depends on how you drive).


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[asnatlas]

I am really looking hard at the 335 system...

[Chad86]

Originally Posted by asnatlas

I am really looking hard at the 335 system...

If you are looking to go with the 335 go through Moto-East
@moto-mike will hook you up

[Alltezza]

Or you can look into the Edelbrock kit(;