Nameless Performance Equal Length Stepped Header

[FrsDuke]

They never once claimed 40hp with or without a tune. They recommend lifting the engine to install and have never been unclear about the complexity of the header.

The big fail is in reading comprehension by the people on this forum. The majority of people buying this header have other mods so it isn't a stock to header comparison so it is t as noticeable as a result. Wait for the dyno numbers. Butt dyno impressions are complete bullshit.

This thing is beautiful, and clearly makes power. Dyno numbers will back this up. It fits perfectly even if it isn't super easy to install. It certainly was not that hard.

This header adds drivability by more than negating the torque valley while giving an increase everywhere when tuned when compared to stock. When added to other mods and compared to already tuned those improvements are always going to be less. People who don't understand NA tuning and performance are the only ones who will not be impressed by this thing.

[Captain Insano]

Right, I must have said it 5 times already in this thread. Many people have developed completely unrealistic expectations for this header.

[yomny]

Originally Posted by Jason@Nameless

Update: Up 46ft lb and 36whp in the dip:



Dyno results of prototype 1.625 primary 4-2-1 Catted Header with full exhaust:

Combined Data (note that lower peak modded run made 29hp vs. the lower peak power baseline, albeit at the very top of the range). Needless to say, once the tuning solutions start popping up, this header will support some serious top end capacity...and the catless versions should do even better based on their ability to run more appropriate, longer, secondaries:



Horsepower Alone:



Torque Alone:



Gains in HP/TQ and % Increases:



(note, these graphs above are still for prototype parts, we're pretty confident there is more power to be had with other configurations that we will be testing very soon)

Weight Specifications:

Factory Header w/o Heat Shields: 15.0lbs
Nameless Performance Stepped 1.625-1.750 Catted Header w/o heat shields: 11.6lbs
Nameless Performance Stepped 1.500-1.625 Catted Header w/o heat shields: 10.9lbs

That first part seems to me like 40hp which is fairly close to 36whp. Relax, don't get fragile I'm not here for an argument. Whether in the dip or anywhere else. I was also going by the first impressions from a few posts ago which said no real gains felt. No one aside nameless has dynoed the header. About the install complexity, I based my comment on the "no instructions part". Stop being so damn defensive I'm entitled to my opinion.
@FrsDuke calm your damn horses, reading comprehension? Now you're getting personal, I suggest you calm down.

[Captain Insano]

That's a complete BS conclusion one is drawing if they think "36whp over stock torque dip".
A - it's their tune
B - sure it made 36whp over stock in that one part... But it just moved the torque dip left... Move your focus to the left of the 36whp gain about 1 inch and it's actually making significantly less than stock.

Conclusion - did this header really make 36whp over stock in the torque dip or simply move the torque dip left?

Fact - it is making a lot more power than stock almost everywhere except of course where it still has a minor torque dip moved left.
Fact - it is a well engineered/built header
Fact - when people say "I want 215whp on pump gas" (see earlier in thread) with an NA header on a car that makes about 160-175 whp stock, that's unrealistic
Fact - when people say "I expect 40hp over stock" to me, that means they expect at least 240 chp (if not more) over the OEM car pwer levels. Again, completely unrealistic.

If you meant "40hp in the dip" that's great. But I will reiterate, it's important to consider that the dip is moved left (and is smaller) with the nameless header and LOTS of tuning. As evidenced by those charts. So I don't really think it's fair to say it's making "36whp in the dip" unless you qualify that with specifics on power before the dip. As well, after the dip it looks like a pretty standard header power levels... With LOTS of tuning.

To be clear, I think this looks like a great header. I would buy one if it was in my car budget (it's not, so I went with a cheaper option). I think people should stop complaining about power on the header as it's going to make a lot more power. I just don't think if you are objectively looking at the power levels you should expect 215whp or even "40hp over stock in the dip"... Because you will still have a torque dip making less power than stock a few RPMs before that big torque surge.

[yomny]

Lol agree. Subscribed to see feedback and impressions from users to try and make an informed purchase.

[FrsDuke]

Where the gains happen minimize how noticeable they are. You definitely notice improved drivability for normal driving, but it is subtle at partial throttle. It's hard to feel "power" down low when you spend a fraction of a second in that area in first gear then never go there again if you are staying in the power band. Again, going from a stage1 tune to this header with a non optimized stage2 doesn't impress the butt dyno. I'm sure the first guy to go bone stock to header plus tune all at once will be blown away, because that is the only way you feel all those gains at once. Wait for actual dyno results and tuned results before you declare a fail. And calling people out in general is nothing personal.

I gotta say, as well, that if you can't figure out a header install without directions you shouldn't be doing one. Clearly people who shouldn't will still try and directions would help them. I was not at all upset with no directions. I also got a follow up phone call to see if I had any issues and to offer advice. Completely unsolicited. I had worked out the same solutions they recommend. It's just a matter of taking your time and thinking it through. Hmm will that plug 2mm from the header melt? Probably. Well no big deal I moved it for install I can just ziptie it out of the way. That kind of thing.

[StormTrooper]

I installed it just fine. However for the time and money spent a quick note about what the objects were in the box.

Someone had mentioned not needing to raise the engine as I had previously heard. That was false.

I don't have a good tune for it so I am not upset by the lack of change.

So to simply this i'm a little miffed about not having instructions. As several things needed to be moved and or adjusted.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by FrsDuke

Where the gains happen minimize how noticeable they are. You definitely notice improved drivability for normal driving, but it is subtle at partial throttle. It's hard to feel "power" down low when you spend a fraction of a second in that area in first gear then never go there again if you are staying in the power band. Again, going from a stage1 tune to this header with a non optimized stage2 doesn't impress the butt dyno. I'm sure the first guy to go bone stock to header plus tune all at once will be blown away, because that is the only way you feel all those gains at once. Wait for actual dyno results and tuned results before you declare a fail. And calling people out in general is nothing personal.

I gotta say, as well, that if you can't figure out a header install without directions you shouldn't be doing one. Clearly people who shouldn't will still try and directions would help them. I was not at all upset with no directions. I also got a follow up phone call to see if I had any issues and to offer advice. Completely unsolicited. I had worked out the same solutions they recommend. It's just a matter of taking your time and thinking it through. Hmm will that plug 2mm from the header melt? Probably. Well no big deal I moved it for install I can just ziptie it out of the way. That kind of thing.

Take it easy bro. People have to learn somewhere. This is just a 25k car and perfect for learning how to do simple stuff like headers. You are being over-the-top defensive. Dynos will come eventually, until then we are all wasting our breath speculating about butt dyno impressions.

[FrsDuke]

I guess I came off stronger than intended. Sorry about that. All I'm saying is life isn't perfect but something being a challenge doesn't make it a failure on the manufacturer's part. Directions would be great and it's a no brainer they should have some. Just not the end of the world or reason to call everything a big failure. If anything my only gripe is that the cam phasing is not available for free, and I should have told them to toss in the bung extender even though I have the ability to disable the code (I was given the option, but declined.) Would have been nice to revert to stock tune for a warranty claim without throwing a code if it wasn't possible or needed to revert to stock header. Probably never going to be an issue.

[Shneegle]

I've got a dyno time set up with my tuner. We are going to do Baseline dyno as my car is stock. Install the header and 3" exhaust dyno it for plain gains and then get tuned numbers. Results coming by the end of March, hopefully someone beats me to it up if not that's what I have planned so far.

[StormTrooper]

Would be nice if someone with experience tuning this platform was closer than 10hrs away.

Maybe later this summer when a shop in Boise gets experience in his own car I'll head over.


It seems to be getting a little better as the tune is adding timing but the top end is still a little weak. 3.5 to 5 is pretty nice.
(if you believe the stock sensor I'm running rich at 11.5-12.0 at wot)

[2superblus]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

Yes I moved the clip, so it shouldn't melt. No it didn't just slip in. Maybe if you didn't have the oil dipstick or fan bracket in the way.

Found a better route for the fan wring during the install.



As for the header install I unbolted the passenger side engine mount and jacked it up roughly 1.5 inches and slid it in.

[StormTrooper]

Yeah it was fine once i did all of that....

Anyone running the stock tune on the headers? Did the vvt noise amplify or is Just the more aggressive profile that makes noise?

[Syklonious]

Does this mean that I would have to unbolt the drivers side engine mount if i have a RHD car (Australia)?
Did you lift the motor with a trolly jack or engine crane?