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Old 07-24-2018, 09:33 PM   #1
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NA Motor Can Handle 350 Crank HP?

EDIT: NA meaning STOCK INTERNALS

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2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles

Goal:
-Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor
-Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then
-Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles

Background:
-Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning
-Budget: 7-8k
-Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor

Questions:
1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo?
2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock?
3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank?
4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA)
5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?

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Old 07-24-2018, 09:33 PM   #2
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man you are going to blow the welds on the manifold
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Old 07-24-2018, 09:38 PM   #4
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man you are going to blow the welds on the manifold
Are you for real? I'm a 20 year old noob, can't tell if you're kidding.
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Are you for real? I'm a 20 year old noob, can't tell if you're kidding.
haha sorry didn't mean to pick on you. watch the first Fast N Furious

you must have edited your first post
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haha sorry didn't mean to pick on you. watch the first Fast N Furious

you must have edited your first post
So I'm looking to get 280-300 wheel horsepower. Is that optimal for stock internals or do I need to tone it down? Goal is speed and longevity. I want it to handle like a Porsche and have the power of a Mustang GT. Ofc it won't be as fast, but I want it to at least be faster than a 370z nismo stock since power to weight ratio.
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NA Motor Can Handle 350 Crank HP?

Specs:
2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles

Goal:
-Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor
-Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then
-Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles

Background:
-Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning
-Budget: 7-8k
-Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor

Questions:
1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo?
2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock?
3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank?
4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA)
5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?
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NA Motor Can Handle 350 Crank HP?

Specs:
2013 Scion FRS w/ 70k miles

Goal:
-Achieve 280-300 wheel horsepower without building or upgrading the motor
-Intentions of NO track time, spirited daily driving, racing every now and then
-Currently at 70k miles, would most likely install the kit at 80k miles... Need the car to be reliable and last at least 150k miles

Background:
-Working with my local tuning shop in Northern VA, PTuning
-Budget: 7-8k
-Cannot install myself, need to pay for labor

Questions:
1. Should I go Super Charger route or Turbo?
2.Turbo = PTuning, SC = Edelbrock?
3. Flex Fuel necessary for contribution of 350 crank?
4. UEL / EL Catless necessary for contribution of 350 crank? (Emissions is big in northern VA)
5. Will my car be able to withstand this up until 150k miles? Realistically, when would it blow?
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So I'm looking to get 280-300 wheel horsepower. Is that optimal for stock internals or do I need to tone it down? Goal is speed and longevity. I want it to handle like a Porsche and have the power of a Mustang GT. Ofc it won't be as fast, but I want it to at least be faster than a 370z nismo stock since power to weight ratio.
I have no idea your original post said you wanted 180 - 200 wheel horsepower
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Your local tuning shop puts out a great turbo kit. Go talk to them and they will guide you. You’re looking at 8-10k for everything since you’re not installing yourself.
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Your local tuning shop puts out a great turbo kit. Go talk to them and they will guide you. You’re looking at 8-10k for everything since you’re not installing yourself.
I did talk to them. I discussed it with them in the shop today. They're asking for 11,000 with some other minor things. It is just not optimal for me to spend that much for a turbo. Plus I'd prefer naturally aspirated anyway. I just want to know if the FA20 stock internals can handle a supercharger that pushes 350 crank / 300 wheel.
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In my view the answer is no, not reliably. Bent all 4 rods at 240 rwkw (320whp) after 7,000km.

It's a sh*!load of fun to drive though.
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Just keep the torque below 250 wtq and you will be fine. And go SC with flex fuel.
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Why did you post this exact same thing in three separate areas in here?
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