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View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one 32 12.17%
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Old 02-27-2020, 05:00 PM   #2087
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Pffft the internet mob is smarter than all manufacturers of any product.
clearly we know better than the people who make the products......
Well I do! The rest are drooling imbeciles.
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It isn't a matter of "caring" and is not that they are "scared".
It is a matter of the LFA being a Supercar that was a short term project and was never intended for mass market or even limited sales. It was just an exercise in tech that resulted in a handful of actual cars. To even hint that it could ever have reached any form of mass production is very naïve and it has no place in the comparisons being made in this thread. Toyota is not now nor was when they built the LFA a Supercar manufacturer.
I'm not sure when the topic of sales targets was introduced. I seem to recall the topic was Toyota 'FLAGSHIPS'. Flagship meaning pinnacle, the very term used to describe the LFA cuz it is/was the Toyota flagship product from the company.

Kind of proves my point when certain other people try to debate by even arguing with themselves and inverting the meaning and contexts of their own words. Carry on.
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I'm not sure when the topic of sales targets was introduced. I seem to recall the topic was Toyota 'FLAGSHIPS'. Flagship meaning pinnacle, the very term used to describe the LFA cuz it is/was the Toyota flagship product from the company.

Kind of proves my point when certain other people try to debate by even arguing with themselves and inverting the meaning and contexts of their own words. Carry on.
Agree that the LFA WAS a flagship car.
LOL strongly at your earlier statement that anybody wanting a Toyota Supra should buy one and put the badge on it. The two cars do not belong in the same discussion even to try and make a point.
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I am liking the Supra, a lot. I just can't get past the automatic. I also just bought a 2020 86, which I really like (it's green too!). I wonder what the next 86 will bring? I don't think it will be near 250 hp bc of the 4 banger Supra at 255hp. Time will tell.
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Pffft the internet mob is smarter than all manufacturers of any product.
clearly we know better than the people who make the products......
it would help if the oem's would be a little more transparent with the reasons for their decisions.

i think we can all agree leaving me to my own reasoning leaves a lot to be desired.
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I'm not sure when the topic of sales targets was introduced. I seem to recall the topic was Toyota 'FLAGSHIPS'. Flagship meaning pinnacle, the very term used to describe the LFA cuz it is/was the Toyota flagship product from the company.

Kind of proves my point when certain other people try to debate by even arguing with themselves and inverting the meaning and contexts of their own words. Carry on.
The LFA was a flagship for the LEXUS brand, by the way. It may have been Toyota's best car regardless of brand, but it was built as a Lexus and has no place being compared to with regards to Toyota brand flagships.

The desire for a majority Toyota-built Supra stands regardless of whatever you believe is the flagship product, as its name holds weight to many people. I'm sure people would complain about a new Toyota MR2 being a rebadged Porsche Boxster.

Ultimately neither you nor I will ever know if Toyota could build a Supra by themselves without resorting to contracting another company to build it for them for 50-60K. It's rather idiotic to assume you know better than a car company about pricing (as evidenced by your C8 bashing) and I'm ashamed to have even entertained your asinine arguments to begin with.
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I am liking the Supra, a lot. I just can't get past the automatic. I also just bought a 2020 86, which I really like (it's green too!). I wonder what the next 86 will bring? I don't think it will be near 250 hp bc of the 4 banger Supra at 255hp. Time will tell.
We'll see. There's a lot of concern that it will be nothing like the current gen. Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen.
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I am liking the Supra, a lot. I just can't get past the automatic. I also just bought a 2020 86, which I really like (it's green too!). I wonder what the next 86 will bring? I don't think it will be near 250 hp bc of the 4 banger Supra at 255hp. Time will tell.
I was one of those guys but I am loving what it's got. I guess when you're older and you start to have knee, gout, and other lower body issues, it's fine. I dont plan on tracking my supra so I'll never know itd full potential but, man, I'm in love. We all just need to appreciate the car for what it is.
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it would help if the oem's would be a little more transparent with the reasons for their decisions.

i think we can all agree leaving me to my own reasoning leaves a lot to be desired.
Why would they be more transparent? They do not owe explanations to anybody. They employ thousands of professionals to analyze the markets and determine what the majority want and what they will or will not build. Unlike the internet experts opinion that the companies are all just dumb and there is one guy in a dark room making decisions there is a rather complex science to it. A vocal minority is still a minority no matter how much they scream "BUT I WANT..."
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just because they make rational decisions doesn't mean they can't make an attempt to explain it to the irrational...
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just because they make rational decisions doesn't mean they can't make an attempt to explain it to the irrational...
Doesn't answer my question. Why WOULD they? what possible benefit would there be to it? The dissenters would still dissent. The speculators would still speculate. The internet "experts" would just say it was bullshit. There is zero value to a company, ANY company, explaining why they do or do not do what they do. They have their reasons for every single decision and explaining those reasons to a bunch of people that won't listen anyway would be a huge waste of time and money.
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i would complain less...
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I love the Supra so i'm not gonna play the old joke.....

But We need a Cheaper LFA.......... not LC500
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BUT the 4 cylinder supra is so lacking compared to the upper trim I think that will not do well. Smaller brakes, no active dampers, no active diff, 3,181 pounds. I think that even if the new gen twin is like 25-30hp less than the 4 Supra, that weight will make a difference. If the new 86 is a similar weight to the current one then it likely will be around 300lbs lighter than the new 4 supra. I would be interested to see how the new 86 compares to the 4Supra on the track in stock form.
Being a contrarian by nature (I owned an FR-S after all), it's the things the 4-pot "lacks" that attract me starting with 200+ less weight and better balance.

I agree that the 4 may not sell well = buying opportunity for owners like me who live and drive on mountainous two lanes.

Add the Safety and Technology package, performance brake pads, a downpipe back exhaust, better tires (PSS lack rain grip compared to other category rubber I used at track and auto-X on the FR-S) and call it good for probably <$40K by year-end.

Better mpg than the 6 and cheaper insurance that's already reasonable for the 6, only $100/year more than I paid for the FR-S, so the 4 could be less.

Here's another write up from someone at the launch with interesting Tada-san quotes. This thing is on my radar now and I'm not a hairdresser.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...-toyota-supra/
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