A Car Noobs Hopeful Reality: Forced Induction

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

Good point. Question. Do I need catch cans and oil coolers with lower power FI? Are base maps that come with these kits not safe enough for the long run? Do I have to get a custom tune sooner than later?

Think about a used kit. The works kit for reference has no intercooler and its in the same position as a rotated STi turbo kit, which means it sits right next to the battery, and this engine is very hot. Extra cooling will need to be taken advantage of if this kit is on the table.

I would suggest a used supercharger kit. Simply because they put out less heat and they are less complicated, plus CARB legal and most SC base tunes are drive-able from the factory, if you get a custom tune it will net you some more hp, but not much.

Vortech and Jackson Racing are the two SC that I would consider if I went that route.

[D_Thissen]

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[steve99]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

but why? the SBD turbo kit was pricing for like $3500, the new works is around $3300. their is a used Innovative SC w/ inter cooler for around 4 k on the forums What additional expenses am I overlooking that you did not mention?

The "base" maps the OFT turbo and supercharger OFT 300 come with are daily drivable safe tunes if your in usa and on usa fuels. no need for further tuning uless you want themax power or you were a serious track warrior.

Sometimes base maps are just that just get the car started and drive slowy a short distance to tuner.

unless you live in a cold climate never track or drive hard for long periods running no more than say 8psi an oil cooler of some type is a must have for safety and piece of mind

[maxjedi]

For a proper FI setup with tuning, oil cooler, gauges you will need to pay at least 6-8k (plus labor), depending on the parts you choose. And then several thousand more for an engine rebuild when something goes wrong, or you wish more boost (and boost is addictive).
The most cost-effective solution to go FI is to sell the car and get something factory-turbo, WRX for example. You will have a new car with turbo, lower compression pistons, oil cooler (also as a bonus - AWD, spacier cabin and WARRANTY), all this for the same money or less than building a FI frs.
If you love frs for the chassis and dont consider other cars, maybe you should stay NA and invest in good suspension/brake components instead.

[Turdinator]

Originally Posted by steve99

The "base" maps the OFT turbo and supercharger OFT 300 come with are daily drivable safe tunes if your in usa and on usa fuels. no need for further tuning uless you want themax power or you were a serious track warrior.

Sometimes base maps are just that just get the car started and drive slowy a short distance to tuner.

unless you live in a cold climate never track or drive hard for long periods running no more than say 8psi an oil cooler of some type is a must have for safety and piece of mind

Have you heard of anyone in Aus having issues with the SBD/OFT setup?

Sorry for the off topic.

[FT86RGV]

I went forced induction for under 4k. When infamous performance had a 10% off sale on all products, which they do right now, I bought the stage 1 innovate SC kit. Came out to $2875. Bought the e85 etune from delicious tuning for $300(this is assuming you have a cable and license already) and radium engineering pcv side catchcan for $220. I think all shipping was free and after taxes I spent just under $3700. I installed the SC myself which is actually rather easy. Was my first ever force induction install.
I kinda regret not getting the intercooler though. Not because I'm having problems with the SC but because the price went up. In a couple months I plan on buying a flex fuel kit and oil cooler since like you I worry a lot about my car and don't want to risk any problems but, as is my car has been running great.
Overall the innovate(now sprintex) kit is great power for the price but you really need either the intercooler or to run it on e85. If I had the choice though I would probably just have saved more money or gone with a different kit. The sprintex kit maxes out at ~300 whp and that's on e85 with full mods. Once my car is paid off I'll probably build the motor and change FI kits.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Turdinator

Have you heard of anyone in Aus having issues with the SBD/OFT setup?

Sorry for the off topic.

Mate don't know first hand of anyone using those kits here but our fuel even 100RON is not on par with the USA 93 so I suspect you might have to do a bit bit "tuning" to get them to work safety (no knock) on our fuels.

If they bring out E85 tunes then you would probably be ok.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

I understand that a tune is perhaps the most crucial and important aspect of going FI. Having said that I live on the east coast and I am not aware of any competent tuners near me. They all seem to operate in Cali. I use the OFT and love it. Shivs base maps (although very limited for FI applications) inspire confidence for me and their customer service is second to none. If I had to leave for a different platform I would be content simply using a base map that came with whatever FI platform it came with. That is until I can find a tuner who I feel is knowledgeable enough to custom tune my car. I feel a lot of these base maps (AVO base map, Shivs Base maps, Innovative base map) are sufficient enough for stage 1 FI which is all I plan to do. Again I am not after big power.

I think you still have some research to do. moto-east is East Coast, and HRI Tuning is Southeast. They are both more than capable of giving you a proper tune. Why spend all that money and time to not maximize the capabilities of a given kit and just be content with a basemap? Don't give in to the traditional OTS solutions.

[Fizz]

I believe the only OFT base maps available for FI kits are for the SBD and OFT300. AVO's base map (and others) for example are Ecutek. So if you only want to stick with OFT platform you're kinda limited.

Which is why my OFT will be for sale soon...

[Boofneenee]

Off topic but..A little birdy from OFT sales just told me the OFT 350 will have 280 whp

[bfrank1972]

FYI there's an intercooled innovate SC for sale in the classifieds for a steal price, a good setup for you I think. If I weren't having my house painted it would be mine by now

[Gen3MR2]

I'm new to the Toyobaru but I have been dealing with a FI Toyota MR2 for years. The motor has been very reliable, gen3 3sgte. But back to the point.

Have you seen the rear axles on the FRS/BRZ? They are tiny. About half the size of my MR2. You have to think about the internal race of them also.

A clutch would be another good investment, ~$700-$1000 from what I have seen for just the part. Its bound to go out after FI is applied.

There is always a risk going away from what the car built to take and you have to acknowledge that.

My trunk or something is creaking and cracking when I hit bumps and I only have 24k miles on it and its bone stock. Adding power will torque the chassis more also possibly making the noises come sooner or make them worse than they would have been.

This is just my 2c. I enjoy my FRS and plan on doing FI one day also, But for now its my DD and the MR2 is my race car.

[charged86]

i saw the words limited mechanical knowledge and budget. Two things that don't belong in a NA to Boosted car project.

[Boofneenee]

Originally Posted by charged86

i saw the words limited mechanical knowledge and budget. Two things that don't belong in a NA to Boosted car project.

you are right.. many of you are right. This is why I am holding off for a few years. Ill wait for the dust to settle in regards to whats out there and this cars ability to be boosted safely. I will continue on reading and educating myself. i will join the cars and coffee and mean some peeps that can maybe show me a thing or two. One of you mentioned that maybe I should consider new suspension and brakes. I think the stock brakes are fine (although reducing unsprung weight helps with speed) but I am intrigued by suspension.

I guess I am at a point now where I dont know what else to mod for performance. I could care less about looks. Tires should also improve the fun