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View Poll Results: Best power increase option for GT86 | |||
Hybrid GT86 | 16 | 9.25% | |
2.5L Boxer | 64 | 36.99% | |
2.0L Turbo | 60 | 34.68% | |
FA20 is fine with me | 33 | 19.08% | |
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09-14-2013, 08:42 PM | #43 |
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The best solution would be FA20 with beefed up internal and strap a VGT on the damn thing.
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I wouldn't mind the race motor they are using to power the front of the Yaris R concept/prototype - 1.6L Toyota GRE race motor making 300hp and 310ftlb torque...just the motor cost more than it does to buy the FRS...LOL
The Hybrid system on the Yaris R has no batteries either....just uses a super capacitor to act like an electric nitrous system and provide 120 hp/220+lbft instantly to the rear wheels for a 5 second duration in race mode, 10 second boost in street mode at lower power levels, a KERS system just like the LaFerrari and other supercars. Who wouldn't want an instant 120hp/220+lbft boost when going full throttle in an FRS? It corners fast enough...just needs some speed on the straights, which this system would give it. Around a 200 hundred pound weight penalty though....
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What are we assuming about the 2.0l turbo? Is it a turbo FA20? What about the horsepower and torque specs? MPG?
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Prevention > reaction Plus, mass produced electric cars will be at their worst at first, and then get better over time. Obviously. So the sooner the developers turn their full attention to them, the sooner we can have high performance electric cars. I don't want to live in a world where Prius-like cars are the only option.
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Now this is a design I can get behind. Look at how simple that is. No excuse for this not being in every car. Perpetual Motion Engine FTW!
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Turbos are economical on ranges of (nonperformance) models, you are just ignoring them. |
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Um, no.
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IMO even a 19/25 or 20/26 FRS/BRZ is not in the cards for Toyota or Subaru. I'm not ignoring turbocharging, I'm saying it's not probable. There are alternative lower footprint, cost, impact options that could be implemented more quickly than an engine swap to get a turbo in the powerplant. Like what?
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Ok, I may have gotten a bit excited with the 2.0dit talk, but if toyota comes out with something impressive subaru may get desperate to compete.
Like I said, economy is one of the compromises of performance, people who buy the car for its performance will gladly sacrifice ~6mpg for +50% power . It doesnt take 4 years to swap motors for subaru, it also doesnt mean they would take their fa20 option off the table. There really is no reason for you to keep parroting that turbos decrease reliability, its just not true. The fa20 is NA, do you notice the issues its been having? Some cars just need to have the bugs worked out of them; both NA and FI. Looking at it all a bit more realistically Subaru might introduce their new 1.6DIT in the BRZ. Subaru is a turbo brand, the BRZ will have a turbo in its future. |
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Everybody will be going hybrid because the latest torque converter automatics can have an electric motor installed in place of the torque converter.
Manual gearboxes are going to disappear. Higher voltage motors, Li-Po or similar batteries and KERS are going to be on just about everything that moves within five years. I mean what sportscar owner would turn down a "push to pass" button on his or her steering wheel? |
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I don't get the negative weight argument for hybrid vs. the support for 6 cylinder? Last time I thought about it, a V6 weighed more than a 4 cylinder! The extra weight on the front would have a significant impact on the weight distribution, that would probably require a rear transaxle to adjust. Both of which would add substantially to cost! Maybe for a supra version, but it would not be light!
Besides, I believe they are talking about capacitors which should be lighter than even the 67lb battery of the Prius C. Granted you do have weight from the electric motor(s), but packaged properly and producing a higher torque to weight ratio, then why couldn't the car still be fun to to drive? |
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