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I think some of you guys are missing the point. The car was not meant to be competitive in motorsports. If you are worried about a few tenths difference in the 0-60 times between the auto and manual, why are you even considering the car at all? You can get a much faster 0-60 time for about the same price in a different car, Mustang, Cooper S, etc.
Plenty of reviews have stated that the auto is a great application for the track. It down shifts when you expect before corners, and it has a very smooth operation. Yes, it won't be as fast around the course as a manual, but then again that isn't the point of the car anyway. Anyway I disagree that the auto is only a valid option for the commuters and people who just want to hold their girlfriend's hands while eating a hamburger. For me, shifting is a mechanical chore. It doesn't make me feel more connected to the car, it's simply a task I have to perform over and over to extract the right amount of power from the car. Driving a modern performance oriented automatic or DCT, and I was instantly converted. I understand shifting makes some people feel more connected to the car, but for me, it's a chore especially when we have the technology to do it better then humans. That said I'm glad there the option for both, but I don't think you guys should be framing it as one is the "right" choice over the other, especially based on 0-60 times. |
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Anyway, who cares about 0-60. Watch that whole video. It is all about balance. Acceleration/Handling/Feel/Sounds/Street manners/Comfort/Price
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most cars going below 14.5 1/4 mile have a 6.4 0-60 or better
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If 0-60 and 1/4 miles are your thing, then this is not the car for you. You'll end up spending more than you would on a stock WRX that could net you better 0-60 and 1/4 times. |
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This will be one of few cars where having an automatic actually hurts resale value.
Who hasn't gone looking for a used Miata or RX-7 and found the perfect one, only to find out it's:
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Actually I have a strong feeling that in FT-86 package we are underpaying for that automatic tranny at least 2-3K for what it is. It will be interesting to watch dynamics of the resale value, just to find out that AT is sought after more, since its wasn't popular with die-hards |
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Most cars also don't shift into 3rd to get to 60. Like I said - download that video and count frames.
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so you did the frames to 99 km/h? or 100 km/h?
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I don't know what it is about a competent automatic that brings out the MT purists with various levels of condescension of those who choose otherwise.
I came here because this car is offering the kind of control a MT offers without the chore of shifting. I could take my laundry to a river bed with a washboard. No doubt I will really get in touch with the stains, the seams, and the quality of detergent I am using. Now we have machines with buttons for that, just like our transmissions. |
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We have cars that practically drive themselves these days; the FT-86 was supposed to be a return to the sports car, not another automaton-mobile. Have fun leaving the traction and stability control on while the transmission shifts for you. Maybe you can find someone to press the gas and steer it for you, too.
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Porsche's PDK and Toyota's automatic transmission have nothing to do with each other. If the FR-S/BRZ were offered with a dual clutch sequential gearbox I wouldn't be having this argument.
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