BRZ vs 86 vs Miata Roadster TRACK BATTLE

[Xdragonxb0i]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yes he did

yeah that mis-shift is another reason why he lost, not just early braking.

but all seriousness, its the exact same cars we shouldnt have two separate forums for the brz and the frs, i don't like the frs/brz/86 fanboyism on this site.

[dookie11]

Not sure if this has been answered yet, but what does 6.15kg/ps convert to in terms of lb/hp (or however you say it)? Is it a direct conversion? I.e.: 13.59lbs/hp?

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by dookie11

Not sure if this has been answered yet, but what does 6.15kg/ps convert to in terms of lb/hp (or however you say it)? Is it a direct conversion? I.e.: 13.59lbs/hp?

Assuming my math is correct, which at this time of the morning, I wouldnt be surprised if it isnt:

6.15kgs/ps
202ps = 200hp
6.15kg x 202ps = 1247kg
1247kg = 2749lbs
2749lbs / 200hp = 13.74lbs/hp

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Assuming my math is correct, which at this time of the morning, I wouldnt be surprised if it isnt:

6.15kgs/ps
202ps = 200hp
6.15kg x 202ps = 1247kg
1247kg = 2749lbs
2749lbs / 200hp = 13.74lbs/hp

Your math is mostly right: JDM is 200 PS (197 hp) and the loaded trims with the keyless entry shown in the video are officially listed as 1230 kg (2712 lbs), which matches up with the 6.15 kg/ps in the video (6.15 kg/ps * 200 ps = 1230 kg).

It appears that they just used the manufacturer spec rather than weighing it themselves.

Originally Posted by dookie11

Not sure if this has been answered yet, but what does 6.15kg/ps convert to in terms of lb/hp (or however you say it)? Is it a direct conversion? I.e.: 13.59lbs/hp?

1230 kg
2.2046226 lb/kg
13.5584 lb/ps
0.98632 hp/ps
13.75 lb/hp (JDM loaded 86/BRZ)

Of course, that's only at ~7000 RPM.

I posted this elsewhere, but some of the reasons for the JDM weighing less than USDM are the lack of a spare and fewer speakers.

For reference: http://toyota.jp/86/001_p_001/spec/spec/index.html

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Who was saying these cars were slow? Its getting low 6 secs to 60 MPH and mid 14 secs 1/4 mile times, with fat people doing the testing...on stock tires and stock cars.

Oh man a lot of people were calling it slow when they announced the 200bhp. I wasn't, caling it slow just FYI...I think that's damn good.

[Leepox]

I don't understand why people are so fussed about this.

If you go karting its pretty much the same, some people are heavier than others and some aren't. Then there are those that are very skilled that even though he weighs 10kg more than the other guy he beats him. Then there's this person whose a lap ahead of everyone by the 10th lap.

Its the same car, different drivers.

Oh, anything that's faster than my current car (8sec) 0-60 is quick in my book.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Leepox

I don't understand why people are so fussed about this.

If you go karting its pretty much the same, some people are heavier than others and some aren't. Then there are those that are very skilled that even though he weighs 10kg more than the other guy he beats him. Then there's this person whose a lap ahead of everyone by the 10th lap.

Its the same car, different drivers.

Oh, anything that's faster than my current car (8sec) 0-60 is quick in my book.

Also in karting some of the karts will oversteer and some will understeer. It doesn't make them faster or slower, it is just something you have to compensate for with your driving.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Leepox

Oh, anything that's faster than my current car (8sec) 0-60 is quick in my book.

+1. We are the lucky ones I think, we're not jaded by years of driving high-po monsters, so we're not going to be bothered by its so-called "power deficit". Should be a total blast for us from every perspective, not just the handling side. :happy0180:

[Hanzo]

I wouldn't be surprise if all 3 cars keep going for another 5 laps and see change in position between the 86 and BRZ. I think out of respect hattori give keiichi so me room to go by. I would love to see keiichi in the 86 vs gan san in the brz lol.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Hanzo

I wouldn't be surprise if all 3 cars keep going for another 5 laps and see change in position between the 86 and BRZ. I think out of respect hattori give keiichi so me room to go by. I would love to see keiichi in the 86 vs gan san in the brz lol.

Gan-san have a balls of steel & missing several screws. Tsuchiya-san have back off several time against Gan-san due to crazy driving lol

[Hanzo]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Gan-san have a balls of steel & missing several screws. Tsuchiya-san have back off several time against Gan-san due to crazy driving lol

That's why I want to see that lol.

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Most members aren't pissed cuz KMS said this race was bias race. We pretty much know FR-S & BRZ are same damn thing. Most ppl are pissed (including me) cuz KMS said Naoki-San sucked. Most ppl that have seen Best Motoring have seen what Naoki-San can do, but out of nowhere someone (KMS) calls him "he sucked" without knowing who he is, of course he'll get flamed left & right.

i could care less if i get flamed. its a forum everyone is entitled to their opinion. if someone came in here and said vettel was a better driver than hamilton, i could say a million reasons why hamilton is better.

people gave his (brz driver) credentials and like i said before, it was fixed or he (they) wanted a closer race between the two cars. if the guy has that much seat time in cars that has two to three times as much power in a professional racing association/league, then he shouldn't be making the mistake of a braking point of 2700lb 200hp car.

hey! i don't know the premise of this japanese variety auto show. do they test for real or are they having fun out there, or both. i would think if they're posting lap times and 1/4 mile times they wanted to see how both cars fared against each other. if that was the case i wouldn't have let the GT pass and the GT wouldn't have had the chance unless the BRZ driver made a mistake. they're both in identical cars and both were competent drivers with plenty of seat time.

[fernan2]

High 13s ???? Ignorence is a bliss!

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

+1. We are the lucky ones I think, we're not jaded by years of driving high-po monsters, so we're not going to be bothered by its so-called "power deficit". Should be a total blast for us from every perspective, not just the handling side. :happy0180:

Coming from the hi-po beast that is the Yaris (105 willing steeds harnessed to a tall chassis with skinny donut tires), I agree.