FRS VS BRZ

[nickhabi]

Hello my dearest of fellow forum members,

It has been quite some while that I have been deciding between the FRS and BRZ and as such have spent much time lurking this very elaborate forum.

It is now apparent to me that the BRZ and FRS are very similar cars but that the BRZ handles better and is equipped with features that are more attractive to me including push start button.

However, having searched on Craigslist, it also appears to me that the FRS is an easier car to sell. I cannot find any BRZ models for sale in Vancouver, BC. Is it true that this car is harder to sell?

I am bummed that I cannot find the Monogram FRS series as this satisfies all my needs. The next best thing is the BRZ.

Please advise. Many thanks, Nick

[MeehowsBRZ]

[peri.Laynz]

The handling point of the brz is kind of moot because they can both hugely benefit from some slightly wider, stickier tires and a tiny bit of low. That said, I bought an FRS because I'm not about to pay $3,000 more just for some subie badges which I could swap myself for 60 bucks and 30 minutes tops. I personally didn't need all the bells and whistles since I'd be gutting the car anyways for track use. Either way, it's an awesome car, I'm just not paying subaru prices.

[jebuwh]

What?

[thill]

Why would the BRZ be harder to sell? Because you don't find any for sale? Does not compute...

I think what you are finding in your area is the opposite of what you are writing. There are not any BRZ's for sale because they are popular (supply and demand).

Look, the cars drive very close to the same. You are splitting hairs here. It comes down to what features you want and what price you are finding these cars for.

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by nickhabi

It has been quite some while that I have been deciding between the FRS and BRZ and as such have spent much time lurking this very elaborate forum.

It is now apparent to me that the BRZ and FRS are very similar cars but that the BRZ handles better and is equipped with features that are more attractive to me including push start button.

They actually handle pretty much the same, its only the characteristics of the suspension tuning that differs where the BRZ is more Subaru oriented being more in favour of grip while the Toyota tuning is more oriented towards the namesake of the AE86 to drift easier, these differences however are slight and don't make any car superior to one another.

Originally Posted by nickhabi

However, having searched on Craigslist, it also appears to me that the FRS is an easier car to sell. I cannot find any BRZ models for sale in Vancouver, BC. Is it true that this car is harder to sell?

I think Vancouver is probably a more difficult place to buy it used because its probably like Toronto where the car is actually popular. There are more Toyota dealers over Subaru ones giving an advantage to the Scion version in terms of pure numbers. I was helping my sister car shop the other week at a Subaru dealer and they were down to their last 2014 BRZ. The less vehicles available for sale, the better or easier it is for whoever is selling such a vehicle due to rarity. If you see a ton of listings, it means the market for that car is oversupplied with not enough demand, vehicles like that tend to be cheaper so from what you're saying the FRS is a harder sell.

Originally Posted by nickhabi

I am bummed that I cannot find the Monogram FRS series as this satisfies all my needs. The next best thing is the BRZ.

Please advise. Many thanks, Nick

Blame Scion Canada for being dumb in this instance. They made it a limited edition but unlike the US they limited the colours we got as well. I got red as that was at least my 2nd choice colour, I actually wanted blue. The Monogram spec should've been a trim level for all FRS models, compared to a BRZ Sport-tech there's nothing hugely unique that the Scions got apart from the head unit and the Scion spoiler, in fact its technically missing fog lamps and the trunk liner. Its one of those instances where it being under Toyota they'd avoid this whole problem, no more stupid monospec meaning they can offer the cheap base car and also offer the better equipped version giving us buyers more choice! What a novel idea.

Simply go for the BRZ because you want the extra options and you know what, I personally think they're worth it. Unlike the Monogram your bargaining position is a lot better as the Subaru dealers are allowed to negotiate a price and Sport-techs aren't limited editions...therefore you can shop at any Subaru dealer and not worry about losing out. There is the Aozora Edition for the BRZ if you like limited edition stuff, but that one I don't believe is as easy to negotiate down. The FRS for me was the better choice after they announced the Monogram because my dad had existing Toyota dealer credit which knocked a acceptable amount off the car's purchase price. Had I not had that credit I'd be in a BRZ.

[z3ro]

Easy decision;

FRS - No mustache
BRZ - Mustache

Do you want a mustache or no mustache?

[gramicci101]

There are no BRZs for sale because people are happier with their Subarus and aren't trying to sell them. Ergo, Subaru is better.

[z3ro]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

There are no BRZs for sale because people are happier with their Subarus and aren't trying to sell them. Ergo, Subaru is better.

This, Peopel with mustache's love subaru's.

People w. mustaches = speds

I head have a beard = i am a sped x2

[Ingen]

I am partial to the part where Toyota honors warranties, and saddened that Subaru tries so damned hard not to.

[NWFRS]

Sad.

I live just across the border in Bellingham WA and each dealership down here has several Scions at any time, including Monograms. :-(

[nickhabi]

Originally Posted by z3ro

Easy decision;

FRS - No mustache
BRZ - Mustache

Do you want a mustache or no mustache?

No mustache ∴ FRS?

[litemup]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

They actually handle pretty much the same, its only the characteristics of the suspension tuning that differs where the BRZ is more Subaru oriented being more in favour of grip while the Toyota tuning is more oriented towards the namesake of the AE86 to drift easier, these differences however are slight and don't make any car superior to one another.

I believe you are confusing grip with understeer.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by litemup

I believe you are confusing grip with understeer.

I wouldn't really call it understeer either.
I would just say it's easier to induce a rear skid in the FRS than the BRZ.