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02-13-2018, 07:56 PM | #29 |
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For those who don't understand what the problem is with those belts... the angle of those belts will compress your spine on impact since the belts will want to pull DOWN under stress, instead of just halting the forward motion of your torso in a linear fashion. That is batshyte crazy stuff.
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How is that car used? Is it just one of those "race" cars that goes to shows? There's no way that thing passes tech with any reasonable organization. Maybe we're just being too hard on it and it's just a show piece. I'm really trying to give it the benefit of the doubt here.
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1. Safety for US and JP is different. Safety that passes in JP doesn't mean it'll pass in US (& vice versa) 2. Griffon 86 is made by TRD JP and purpose was testing the limit of 86 and get fastest 86 time (back then) in Tsukuba. Which they clocked 58.407... which is 5 secs faster than Rev's 86. Yes, I understand that, it's not proper setup for the harness. My guess is when SH took the photo of Griffon, they weren't complete, so they just put it on for the show and actual race day, they had the harness in correct setup... but I'm just guessing. & jic if you haven't seen it, here's the vid of Griffon 86. First test, they clocked 1 min 1 sec [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l68lq5IITI0"]86 TRD Griffon Concept(time attack movie) ~タイãƒ*アタックãƒ*ービー~ - YouTube[/ame] This vid, show Griffon 86 clocking 58 secs [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgFugUeFK5M"]Time Attack | 86 TRD Griffon Concept 014 - YouTube[/ame] |
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Evidently my Subaru, "made in Japan", is a safety aberration? I guess their marketing people, touting safety in ads, managed to talk their Japanese engineers out of their nationalist tendencies?
CRAZY.
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That picture is HORRIBLE and people who don't understand why need to know that so they don't think that is OK to do. I've seen people show up at track events with belts that are, obviously, improperly installed. They see stuff on the interweb. They just don't know. Pictures like that need to be blown up and not apologized for, period.
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Unlike safety rules, the laws of physics don't change when crossing a political boundary.
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I'm always open to learning something new. Here's a link to Simpson Harness mounting. Note the prescribed angle for shoulder harness mount. At risk of being a wisenheimer... do physics work differently in Japan?: https://simpsonraceproducts.com/pdf/...t_Mounting.pdf
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Ha! Your "physics" line was better. <FACEPALM>
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I guess this thread has strayed off track a bit... but anyone reviewing this needs to make sure they follow the detailed instructions for how to mount their belts. They are detailed for a reason. Don't look at pictures and opinions on the interweb for what is "OK" or "acceptable in another country".
Don't screw around with this. If you ever find yourself heading toward a fixed object, you'll be glad you read the directions.
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"People do that in Japan, and it's not safe" is one option. Not sure why I need to be this direct regarding your comments. Perhaps you need to edit your posts.
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So in the end, I say it again. SAFETY RULE wise in Japan, it might not go against the rule (or maybe it is). But from my limited experience in track/autox in US, setup TRD isn’t safe. Better? Thanks for the Simpson’s harness guid. Here’s JAF safety guid (quick google search) around page 22 (or page 488) http://www.jaf.or.jp/msports/rules/i...ion_fusoku.pdf |
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