weighing down the rear for winter driving - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

WWFT86 · 12-23-2016, 07:58 PM

This will be my first winter driving the BRZ in ice/snow conditions and was wondering if those been doing it for few winters now comment on how much weight do you add in the trunk, if at all? I've got Blizzak WS80 on 16" steelies already. Thx.

mnuttall · 12-23-2016, 08:06 PM

It's my first winter driving mine too. No need for weight in the trunk. This car is so stupidly easy to control in snow it isn't funny. It's not as good as my A4 but no surprise there.

Ultramaroon · 12-23-2016, 08:20 PM

I've never done that with any of my vehicles. Have you noticed any traction or handling issues?

computeruser · 12-23-2016, 10:28 PM

I haven't seen any need to. The snow tires will do the trick pretty well, if you also do your part.

Tcoat · 12-23-2016, 10:54 PM

When driving a pickup truck with a huge front end weight bias hen you need to balance it out for traction. These cars are not pickup trucks and are damn near perfectly balanced. No weight in the trunk needed. It in fact can cause issues if that rear starts to head south on you and you have extra weight to give it some more momentum.

gravitylover · 12-24-2016, 08:43 AM

^^What he said. In a front heavy car you do that to try and balance it better. This car is already so well balanced that it will hurt more than it will help except for initial acceleration from a stop. In a corner it will start the rear sliding more quickly and you won't be able to stop the slide and under braking unless the road is completely flat the rear end will try to follow the crown of the road and spin you right off.

WWFT86 · 12-24-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I've never done that with any of my vehicles. Have you noticed any traction or handling issues?

So far it's been fine and I continue to be amazed at how balanced the car is. I find the BRZ with Blizzaks ws80 on par with a FWD with a decent all seasons. The only issue is clearance if I'm on an unplowed residential street with fresh snow and no cars been over it yet.

A little harder to gain traction if I start in 1st gear but starting in 2nd gear (snow mode in AT) with throttle control gets the job done. All TCS on of course.

Just wanted to see what others who DD their FT86 in icy/snowy condition do... with or without added weights in the trunk...

Somerandom18 · 12-24-2016, 09:46 AM

I've been fine with continental DWS06 all seasons so far. The only time I have trouble is on ice and they slip a bit. Haven't been unable to get moving yet which has happened a few times in my previous FWD car (same tires just the previous model). Weight in the back is just the spare tire and tools.

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Ultramaroon · 12-24-2016, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WWFT86

So far it's been fine and I continue to be amazed at how balanced the car is. I find the BRZ with Blizzaks ws80 on par with a FWD with a decent all seasons. The only issue is clearance if I'm on an unplowed residential street with fresh snow and no cars been over it yet.

A little harder to gain traction if I start in 1st gear but starting in 2nd gear (snow mode in AT) with throttle control gets the job done. All TCS on of course.

Just wanted to see what others who DD their FT86 in icy/snowy condition do... with or without added weights in the trunk...

Yeah, snow mode is a nice feature.

The only thing that bears repeating as often as possible for casual visitors to the forum is that the stock Primacys are downright hazardous in any depth of snow/ice.

gravitylover · 12-24-2016, 03:24 PM

The stock tires are dangerous on cold dry pavement.

Leonardo · 12-24-2016, 03:54 PM

Back a few years ago, there were a few threads...
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51065
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77321

Tcoat · 12-24-2016, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Yeah, snow mode is a nice feature.

The only thing that bears repeating as often as possible for casual visitors to the forum is that the stock Primacys are downright hazardous in any depth of snow/ice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gravitylover

The stock tires are dangerous on cold dry pavement.

Anything under 40 degrees.

Stang70Fastback · 12-24-2016, 10:41 PM

Going on 3 years in Chicago winters. I've never added any weight in the trunk, even with all my fun wintertime shenanigans:

http://seriesblueadventures.com/tag/snow

Ganthrithor · 12-24-2016, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

The stock tires are dangerous on cold dry pavement.

And don't even try to drive in the rain. Holy shit. Those Primacies were terrifying.

12-23-2016, 07:58 PM	#1
WWFT86 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Drives: 2017 BRZ Limited Location: Toronto Posts: 137 Thanks: 43 Thanked 72 Times in 35 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	weighing down the rear for winter driving This will be my first winter driving the BRZ in ice/snow conditions and was wondering if those been doing it for few winters now comment on how much weight do you add in the trunk, if at all? I've got Blizzak WS80 on 16" steelies already. Thx.

12-23-2016, 08:20 PM	#3
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Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,845 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,283 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2495 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	When driving a pickup truck with a huge front end weight bias hen you need to balance it out for traction. These cars are not pickup trucks and are damn near perfectly balanced. No weight in the trunk needed. It in fact can cause issues if that rear starts to head south on you and you have extra weight to give it some more momentum. __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

12-24-2016, 08:43 AM	#6
gravitylover Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: 2013 BRZ Premium 6MT White Location: SE NY Posts: 1,503 Thanks: 1,218 Thanked 669 Times in 474 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	^^What he said. In a front heavy car you do that to try and balance it better. This car is already so well balanced that it will hurt more than it will help except for initial acceleration from a stop. In a corner it will start the rear sliding more quickly and you won't be able to stop the slide and under braking unless the road is completely flat the rear end will try to follow the crown of the road and spin you right off. __________________

12-24-2016, 03:24 PM	#10
gravitylover Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: 2013 BRZ Premium 6MT White Location: SE NY Posts: 1,503 Thanks: 1,218 Thanked 669 Times in 474 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	The stock tires are dangerous on cold dry pavement. __________________

12-23-2016, 08:06 PM	#2
mnuttall Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Drives: 2013 Audi Allroad, 2017 Subaru BRZ Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 61 Thanks: 6 Thanked 37 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's my first winter driving mine too. No need for weight in the trunk. This car is so stupidly easy to control in snow it isn't funny. It's not as good as my A4 but no surprise there.

12-23-2016, 10:28 PM	#4
computeruser Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Drives: 2015 BRZ Location: East Lansing MI Posts: 75 Thanks: 16 Thanked 53 Times in 28 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I haven't seen any need to. The snow tires will do the trick pretty well, if you also do your part.

12-24-2016, 09:46 AM	#8
Somerandom18 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Drives: 2017 manual BRZ Location: USA Posts: 467 Thanks: 322 Thanked 178 Times in 111 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I've been fine with continental DWS06 all seasons so far. The only time I have trouble is on ice and they slip a bit. Haven't been unable to get moving yet which has happened a few times in my previous FWD car (same tires just the previous model). Weight in the back is just the spare tire and tools. Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

12-24-2016, 03:54 PM	#11
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12-24-2016, 10:41 PM	#13
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