You're doing it wrong: common driver errors - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

juliog · 09-18-2013, 03:49 AM

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...ng-Issues.aspx

alan.chalkley · 09-18-2013, 06:36 AM

The worst one that i see every day , is driving with one hand inside the steering wheel.
They wonder why they lose control if they slam on the brakes and the car slides.

Captain Snooze · 09-18-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by alan.chalkley

The worst one that i see every day ,

You go to the track every day?

Anthony · 09-18-2013, 08:15 AM

It’s because you leapt off the brake pedal like it was your high school girlfriend when you heard the garage door opening.

7thgear · 09-18-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

You go to the track every day?

he didn't bother reading the article

whaap · 09-18-2013, 10:37 AM

I still think the most common error made by drivers is their not knowing how to properly adjust their side view mirrors. So many complain of blind spots when, mirrors properly adjusted, there are none.

Dave-ROR · 09-18-2013, 10:41 AM

Funny, I know that Sentra and it's driver. While it was heavily loaded there I'm not quite sure it was understeering

Brake release is key. I and others have mentioned release properties in brake pad discussions for that reason

CSG Mike · 09-18-2013, 11:15 AM

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If you unwind the wheel 10% then only add 10% throttle, unwind 20% add 20% throttle, and so on until your full throttle in a straight line.

This is the hardest concept for people to grasp, IMO.

7thgear · 09-18-2013, 11:30 AM

people that stab the throttle during slaloms make me go \ O.o /

SkullWorks · 09-18-2013, 11:56 AM

I saw that yesterday, it was a good read but not as in depth as I might have hoped. But all good things to keep in mind.

Element Tuning · 09-18-2013, 01:32 PM

I've been working on the last part about braking for a long time. I find it fairly easy to look through the turn in the FRS (slower speeds) but when I'm doing 165 MPH into a 180 degree turn, fighting car control under braking, it's so difficult to look past your turn in! I get it right sometimes and it's magic

CSG Mike · 09-18-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Element Tuning

I've been working on the last part about braking for a long time. I find it fairly easy to look through the turn in the FRS (slower speeds) but when I'm doing 165 MPH into a 180 degree turn, fighting car control under braking, it's so difficult to look past your turn in! I get it right sometimes and it's magic

Where do I buy a set of these CF nuts?

Captain Snooze · 09-18-2013, 05:40 PM

"Here’s the way it’s supposed to work............. keeping that apex in your peripheral vision."
My problem (and its not just related to track driving) is that 'tho my peripheral vision is fine (that is, my eye sight works at the peripheries) my brain only concentrates on what I'm looking at directly. So if I'm looking through the cars' windows in front of me looking for brake lights up in front I might not be aware of the car directly in front of me slowing down. Another example, I'm looking (not glancing) at my revision mirror and my peripheral vision sees the car in front slowing down but I'm concentrating on my mirror so I'm not aware of the car in front. Just sitting at my monitor here, if I wiggle fingers at the sides of my head I have to concentrate on seeing my fingers and even tho the text is right in front of me I am no longer concentrating on the text but my moving fingers.
I don't find this to be much of a problem because I have taught my self to be constantly moving my field of view, that is don't stare at the one object for long but it makes the looking ahead at track a little tricky because if I'm looking a head I lose awareness of the track near by.
Advice would be welcome.

(Wow, long story)

DarkSunrise · 09-18-2013, 05:51 PM

I started a thread on this earlier, but this is the one I'm guilty of sometimes:

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Most people’s minds tell them to hold the inside just a hair longer to the point where they start releasing the wheel and adding throttle and by the time they’re pointed straight they're a car width away from the edge. That way feels safe, and it is safer but it’s not as fast. ... If you end up in the middle of the track then start unwinding your steering a little earlier.

09-18-2013, 08:15 AM	#4
Anthony Weight Nazi Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 13 FRS -399lb, 11 335is, 05 Tiburon Location: Biloxi, MS / Gulf Coast 86 Posts: 3,702 Thanks: 5,009 Thanked 3,712 Times in 1,765 Posts Mentioned: 150 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	It’s because you leapt off the brake pedal like it was your high school girlfriend when you heard the garage door opening. __________________ Build Thread \| The Venus Project \| Any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy.

09-18-2013, 10:41 AM	#7
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	Funny, I know that Sentra and it's driver. While it was heavily loaded there I'm not quite sure it was understeering Brake release is key. I and others have mentioned release properties in brake pad discussions for that reason __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

09-18-2013, 11:30 AM	#9
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,506 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	people that stab the throttle during slaloms make me go \ O.o / __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

09-18-2013, 05:40 PM	#13
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,723 Thanks: 3,993 Thanked 9,346 Times in 4,127 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"Here’s the way it’s supposed to work............. keeping that apex in your peripheral vision." My problem (and its not just related to track driving) is that 'tho my peripheral vision is fine (that is, my eye sight works at the peripheries) my brain only concentrates on what I'm looking at directly. So if I'm looking through the cars' windows in front of me looking for brake lights up in front I might not be aware of the car directly in front of me slowing down. Another example, I'm looking (not glancing) at my revision mirror and my peripheral vision sees the car in front slowing down but I'm concentrating on my mirror so I'm not aware of the car in front. Just sitting at my monitor here, if I wiggle fingers at the sides of my head I have to concentrate on seeing my fingers and even tho the text is right in front of me I am no longer concentrating on the text but my moving fingers. I don't find this to be much of a problem because I have taught my self to be constantly moving my field of view, that is don't stare at the one object for long but it makes the looking ahead at track a little tricky because if I'm looking a head I lose awareness of the track near by. Advice would be welcome. (Wow, long story) Last edited by Captain Snooze; 09-18-2013 at 06:13 PM.

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09-18-2013, 06:36 AM	#2
alan.chalkley Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 4wd zooks Location: Sydney / Australia Posts: 495 Thanks: 135 Thanked 167 Times in 108 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The worst one that i see every day , is driving with one hand inside the steering wheel. They wonder why they lose control if they slam on the brakes and the car slides.

09-18-2013, 10:37 AM	#6
whaap Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: '13 FR-S firestorm, 6 mt - '11 CR-V Location: Tucson Posts: 2,133 Thanks: 243 Thanked 1,387 Times in 657 Posts Mentioned: 36 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I still think the most common error made by drivers is their not knowing how to properly adjust their side view mirrors. So many complain of blind spots when, mirrors properly adjusted, there are none.

09-18-2013, 11:56 AM	#10
SkullWorks Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: SSM LT MT BRZ Location: SoCal Posts: 1,033 Thanks: 803 Thanked 754 Times in 328 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I saw that yesterday, it was a good read but not as in depth as I might have hoped. But all good things to keep in mind.

09-18-2013, 01:32 PM	#11
Element Tuning Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Hydra EMS Powered FRS Raven Black Location: Maryland Posts: 839 Thanks: 54 Thanked 1,021 Times in 365 Posts Mentioned: 61 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I've been working on the last part about braking for a long time. I find it fairly easy to look through the turn in the FRS (slower speeds) but when I'm doing 165 MPH into a 180 degree turn, fighting car control under braking, it's so difficult to look past your turn in! I get it right sometimes and it's magic

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