Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[nonicname]

Originally Posted by fenton

Price is estimated right now around 1500 plus 120 for batteries. FYI I am not selling this kit I am just testing it out and stressing it to its limits

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mmmmm should be $1,500 WITH batteries. seems steep for just a fan shell and an electric box. i know you are just the messenger but I'm just saying.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by nonicname

mmmmm should be $1,500 WITH batteries. seems steep for just a fan shell and an electric box. i know you are just the messenger but I'm just saying.

If its just a fan shell and a box I'm sure nobody will have problems making their own

Rob has put in years into this creation to make it work this way. His first designs like many others didn't make any power.

This is essentially the cost of the parts, this isn't Robs full time job... This is his hobby, he isn't trying to take peoples money hand over fist I can assure you that.

Somebody a long time ago told Rob that it wasn't possible and that he couldn't do it. Rob doesn't like people telling him what he can or can't do.

I can assure you the estimated price is very fair in terms of parts you get and how they work to develop boost on the car.

That's like saying the vortech is a belt driven fan... In theory yes.... But there is so so much more.

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[raven1231]

Originally Posted by fenton

If its just a fan shell and a box I'm sure nobody will have problems making their own

Rob has put in years into this creation to make it work this way. His first designs like many others didn't make any power.

This is essentially the cost of the parts, this isn't robs full time job... This is his hobby, he isn't trying to take peoples money hand over fist I can assure you that.

Somebody a long time ago told rob that it was possible and that he couldn't do it. Rob doesn't like people telling him what he can't do.

I can assure you the estimated price is very fair in terms of parts you get and how they work to develop boost on the car.

That's like saying the vortech is a belt driven fan... In theory yes.... But there is so so much more.

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Exactly! You don't go to the pharmacy and pay them just for the cost of the pill. No you pay for all the research and development involved as well. Hence why medication is so damn expensive.This is no different, people who design systems such as these dedicate a lot of their time into it. Charging more than what the parts cost is their way of not only making some sort of profit but also getting back some of that investment.

[brichard0625]

Originally Posted by fenton

If its just a fan shell and a box I'm sure nobody will have problems making their own

Rob has put in years into this creation to make it work this way. His first designs like many others didn't make any power.

This is essentially the cost of the parts, this isn't Robs full time job... This is his hobby, he isn't trying to take peoples money hand over fist I can assure you that.

Somebody a long time ago told Rob that it wasn't possible and that he couldn't do it. Rob doesn't like people telling him what he can or can't do.

I can assure you the estimated price is very fair in terms of parts you get and how they work to develop boost on the car.

That's like saying the vortech is a belt driven fan... In theory yes.... But there is so so much more.

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i agree..i think the price is fair and was right around what people thought it was going to be...im on board with the product

[the.big.kahoona]

Anothet vote for $1500 being a fair price

[nonicname]

Originally Posted by fenton

If its just a fan shell and a box I'm sure nobody will have problems making their own

Rob has put in years into this creation to make it work this way. His first designs like many others didn't make any power.

This is essentially the cost of the parts, this isn't Robs full time job... This is his hobby, he isn't trying to take peoples money hand over fist I can assure you that.

Somebody a long time ago told Rob that it wasn't possible and that he couldn't do it. Rob doesn't like people telling him what he can or can't do.

I can assure you the estimated price is very fair in terms of parts you get and how they work to develop boost on the car.

That's like saying the vortech is a belt driven fan... In theory yes.... But there is so so much more.

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that's exactly why I think Vortech is the most over priced kit out there.
It's exactly that, a belt driven fan. Lets not go there...

I'm an industrial designer myself which is why I understand what things cost very well. R&D cost should be accounted as a "longer period before you get your investment is returned" not as an extra cost added to the sales price.
30%-35% profit margin is what things should cost in any market.

I definitely appreciate what Rob is doing and I didn't say I wouldn't buy the kit at that price I'm just looking for an accurately priced product which is something that doesn't happen very often in the automotive after market world thanks to all the needy people who die for attention and know the only way to get it is with their flashy cars. This market seems to pay anything for everything, even if they can't afford it. That's not me.

I'm definitely still interested but I'll buy after all the guinea pigs beta test it and trouble shoot it.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by nonicname

that's exactly why I think Vortech is the most over priced kit out there.
It's exactly that, a belt driven fan. Lets not go there...

I'm an industrial designer myself which is why I understand what things cost very well. R&D cost should be accounted as a "longer period before you get your investment is returned" not as an extra cost added to the sales price.
30%-35% profit margin is what things should cost in any market.

I definitely appreciate what Rob is doing and I didn't say I wouldn't buy the kit at that price I'm just looking for an accurately priced product which is something that doesn't happen very often in the automotive after market world thanks to all the needy people who die for attention and know the only way to get it is with their flashy cars. This market seems to pay anything for everything, even if they can't afford it. That's not me.

I'm definitely still interested but I'll buy after all the guinea pigs beta test it and trouble shoot it.

Wow, ok tell the rest of the world they all should use 30% profit margins. Have you ever heard of 'supply and demand'? That's the way the world works - that being said, it seems to me that Rob is not gouging anyone, although he probably could if he wanted to - there's nothing on the market for the FR-S/BRZ like his ESC (supply), and there are plenty of people interested in a low cost solution that would provide 210-220whp, nice flat torque curve, easy DIY install/uninstall, lowboost/low risk. Cost of the brushless motor, compressor, housing, controller are bound to add up quickly - check out the open source ESC thread and follow what they're doing.

[Thatruth2001]

If all goes as planned the unit will be track tested tomorrow. Stay tuned.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Thatruth2001

Tuning is done. Bob and Bill from drift office will provide the review. Ecutek owners you are now tuned.

Bill and Bob I cannot say thank you enough for the time and effort spent with the ESC today. I learned so much and appreciated the frankness of the discussion. Btw the drive home was amazing and the tune met all my expectations. I look forward to coming up again to work with a class act pair of tuners like yourselves.

Look forward to seeing your thoughs in the coming days.

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

I didn't have his stock baseline numbers and the tune he came in with wasn't what we used, so all I have is just his final against a typical baseline. I'll post up a link to the thread here after I'm done with two other articles. Also need a bit of time to see how I'd like to approach this...

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Originally Posted by Thatruth2001

If all goes as planned the unit will be track tested tomorrow. Stay tuned.

C'mon guys... give us something!

[Robftss]

Marketing/business/overhead/profitability etc study this is not.

It is just engineering, 100% goes back to R&D. That's all.

Rob

[FRSRAVEN]

IMO, 2000 total with batteries is fair. People wanting this whole kit out the door for 1500 are asking to much. Batteries are expensive, and you want good batteries.

I'm looking at it in relation to a complete exhaust
system upgrade, which is about $2000 with tune for 30whp. This system offers even more power, and is easier to install.

[jpit]

Fenton,

Do we know if the Ecutek tune will be an additional cost? Thanks.

[jpit]

Does anyone know why this wouldn't be a good replacement for our starting battery (it would fit in a bigger battery tray with the other two batteries if you put it on end)? Don't know much about the company.


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[fenton]

Originally Posted by jpit

Fenton,

Do we know if the Ecutek tune will be an additional cost? Thanks.

Final pricing is still not known. I believe he is working towards getting canned tunes however i dont know how that will or will not be integrated.

Just stay tuned, all this will be revealed when the unit is out of testing im sure.

There is still the option that Pug and Rob are working on which will require NO TUNE.

We really are in the infancy of the product.... im guessing most will want a dyno tune just as you would with any other kit to get the most out of it.