Did I miss out??

[TooSlow]

This was on the buyatoyota.com website:

https://www.buyatoyota.com/norcal/of...=86_cash_70724

Each 86 comes with Toyota Safety Sense (TSS-P) - a suite of advanced safety features which include: Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Automatic High Beams, Pre-*Collision System with Pedestrian Detection function and Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist - at no additional cost.

I'm pretty sure the 2019's don't have them. If they did, I would have waited till this year instead of buying my 86 in 2018. More safety gear the better.

[humfrz]

I'm guessing that that web page isn't accurate.

I can't confirm that the 86 comes with that package -

An interweb blurb said:

"While the 86 doesn't offer a Toyota Safety Sense package, it does come with the Star Safety System, Smart Stop Technology, and Hill Start Assist Control, all of which deliver a better sense of confidence when you get behind the wheel, and make sure that you have a better chance of making it home safely.May 3, 2018"


humfrz

[Aperez_33]

I have a 2019 86GT and I don’t think I have that feature, or at least haven’t been able to see it


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[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by TooSlow

This was on the buyatoyota.com website:

https://www.buyatoyota.com/norcal/of...=86_cash_70724

Each 86 comes with Toyota Safety Sense (TSS-P) - a suite of advanced safety features which include: Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Automatic High Beams, Pre-*Collision System with Pedestrian Detection function and Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist - at no additional cost.

I'm pretty sure the 2019's don't have them. If they did, I would have waited till this year instead of buying my 86 in 2018. More safety gear the better.

You want that stuff on an FR-S/86? It has a very good chassis structure, great visibility, and with an attentive and competent driver all the safety needed is in the car. Those 'drivers aids' are baby steps to autonomous driving vehicles that take control from a driver...It's bad enough the traction control hard cuts engine power then gradually feeds it back in when you are turning from a stop under hard excelleration (which is why mine is 'off' %100 of the time...). Funny I have ZERO issues with accelerating with it 'off' yet with it on the car sometimes cuts power for a second then slowly feeds it back in...

Not like it's a Camaro which needs all the help it can get since you can't see well out of it...

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

You want that stuff on an FR-S/86? It has a very good chassis structure, great visibility, and with an attentive and competent driver all the safety needed is in the car. Those 'drivers aids' are baby steps to autonomous driving vehicles that take control from a driver...It's bad enough the traction control hard cuts engine power then gradually feeds it back in when you are turning from a stop under hard excelleration (which is why mine is 'off' %100 of the time...). Funny I have ZERO issues with accelerating with it 'off' yet with it on the car sometimes cuts power for a second then slowly feeds it back in...

Not like it's a Camaro which needs all the help it can get since you can't see well out of it...

I've had TC cut power on mine when trying to accelerate more up a steep grade on a freeway in a down pour. I didn't even floor it, just pressed the gas pedal enough to the point where I wouldn't slow down going up the grade. So instead of "feeling safer" with it, I felt that I was in more danger since it considerably slowed down the car.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

You want that stuff on an FR-S/86? It has a very good chassis structure, great visibility, and with an attentive and competent driver all the safety needed is in the car. Those 'drivers aids' are baby steps to autonomous driving vehicles that take control from a driver...It's bad enough the traction control hard cuts engine power then gradually feeds it back in when you are turning from a stop under hard excelleration (which is why mine is 'off' %100 of the time...). Funny I have ZERO issues with accelerating with it 'off' yet with it on the car sometimes cuts power for a second then slowly feeds it back in...

Not like it's a Camaro which needs all the help it can get since you can't see well out of it...

So be it - I want most all of those OTHER drivers to have ALL the nannies that can be given to them - so as THEY don't be running to ME!





humfrz

[Tcoat]

They screwed up. The 86 is the only "Toyota" that does not come with the safety package.

[Dadillac]

My '19 has none of those. It would have been nice to have the $1,500 cash though.


Don

[Brink]

Toyota doesn't know the 86 exists, much less what features it has.

[jrb363]

Originally Posted by Brink

Toyota doesn't know the 86 exists, much less what features it has.

Savage AF

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[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by TooSlow

This was on the buyatoyota.com website:

https://www.buyatoyota.com/norcal/of...=86_cash_70724

Each 86 comes with Toyota Safety Sense (TSS-P) - a suite of advanced safety features which include: Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Automatic High Beams, Pre-*Collision System with Pedestrian Detection function and Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist - at no additional cost.

I'm pretty sure the 2019's don't have them. If they did, I would have waited till this year instead of buying my 86 in 2018. More safety gear the better.

Originally Posted by humfrz

I'm guessing that that web page isn't accurate.

I can't confirm that the 86 comes with that package -

An interweb blurb said:

"While the 86 doesn't offer a Toyota Safety Sense package, it does come with the Star Safety System, Smart Stop Technology, and Hill Start Assist Control, all of which deliver a better sense of confidence when you get behind the wheel, and make sure that you have a better chance of making it home safely.May 3, 2018"


humfrz

Humfrz is right, although my newer CX-5 has that stuff and then some though I have to admit they are quite useful for lazy long highway cruises too.

The 86 only has the basic safety stuff as part of the star safety sense pack, not much changed over the years so far. And why would you want anything else on a barebones sports car other than to compete in the market for say the higher trim ND miatas, I'm pretty sure if you bought a manual most of the auto braking stuff would be nullified except for hill hold assist. The star safety pack on Toyotas is literally just the minimum that's always been on 2016+ 86, BRZ, FRS:

Rearview camera: Required by the NHTSA at this point, so it's not even a fair selling point, cars have to have this if they are built after May 2018



Electronic brake force distribution (EBFD): Spreads the braking force evenly throughout all four wheels, for instance it'll apply more pressure to the fronts under harder braking than the rear due to the amount of weight shift to the front and that changes based on that weight shifting force. Alot of track people noticed this and used different pads to make it advantageous or less effective in some cases


Smart stop tech: just keeps you from accidentally pressing the gas and brake at the same time and cuts power out if you do it



VSC, TCS, ABS: the usual stuff everyone knows about and usually disables



That's pretty much it, nothing special. Maybe in the next gen ,if there is one, they may offer something to compete with the new miata. But adding radar cruise and all that would require things like an electronic parking brake and stuff like that and that would honestly effect the driving dynamics of being a "drifter" machine. Unless they could tie it to the stock handle

[bkharmony]

Lazy web dev copy-pasted the wrong stuff. Don't trust dealer sites for details.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

Not like it's a Camaro which needs all the help it can get since you can't see well out of it...

People really need to learn to adjust their mirrors. I have zero issues seeing out of mine except for figuring out exactly where the wheels end since they stick out past the bodywork on my car. It could be much better of course. IMO the FT86 suffers from rear visibility issues also though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Humfrz is right, although my newer CX-5 has that stuff and then some though I have to admit they are quite useful for lazy long highway cruises too.





That's pretty much it, nothing special. Maybe in the next gen ,if there is one, they may offer something to compete with the new miata. But adding radar cruise and all that would require things like an electronic parking brake and stuff like that and that would honestly effect the driving dynamics of being a "drifter" machine. Unless they could tie it to the stock handle

The wife's Impreza has the Subaru equivalent to this. I call it the "Distracted Driving Package". Some of it such as the active cruise and back up movement sensors I really really like. Could do without the lane departure and "vehicle in front has moved" warnings though. Don't know about the Toyota package but at least hers allows you to turn off each thing desperately so you can pic and choose what you want.
The biggest drawback so far is the thing is massive and takes up a good chunk of windshield real-estate. When it makes a difference in that massive chunk of glass in the Impreza I can't imagine what it would do to visibility in the FRS
Had a couple of people say it looks light lights in a cop car.