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Old 01-15-2020, 02:39 AM   #295
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K24 + AWD might be a bad idea...

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Old 01-15-2020, 03:15 AM   #296
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The same way the honda guys make awd civics.
So are you suggesting someone transplant a transverse k24 into the BRZ because if not then I donít understand how those components would work longitudinally?

Just saying: AWD isnít exactly better, except in certain conditions, so the idea seems to be without merit. I would think the Civic Type R would have proved that.
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Then the issue is you now have all the weight from engine and transmission up front, with a primarily FWD twin. I think I would rather an EVO drivetrain swap if I am going that route. (maybe k24 to evo trans adapter?)

My suggestion for someone wanting awd swap (which I REALLY want to do, and will eventually), is either an r34 sequential with custom bellhousing (kind of like Rob Dahms awd rx7), the t56 with transfer case that is available (less than ideal as the driveshaft is on driver side and will have issues with steering shaft), or GR6 transaxle from a R35 mounted in the back. (My favorite as it moves a lot of the weight to the rear and is a DCT). All of which will require a ton of money/fabrication to make work. The swap will also cut into the cabin for the extra driveshaft and transfer case. You also have to take into consideration front subframe in relation to the driveshafts and front diff, front diff and axles in relation to an engine that can't move up any, and a driveshaft that that realistically needs to be on the passenger side, and trying to fit an exhaust at the same (unless hood dump is your fancy)
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Then the issue is you now have all the weight from engine and transmission up front, with a primarily FWD twin. I think I would rather an EVO drivetrain swap if I am going that route. (maybe k24 to evo trans adapter?)

My suggestion for someone wanting awd swap (which I REALLY want to do, and will eventually), is either an r34 sequential with custom bellhousing (kind of like Rob Dahms awd rx7), the t56 with transfer case that is available (less than ideal as the driveshaft is on driver side and will have issues with steering shaft), or GR6 transaxle from a R35 mounted in the back. (My favorite as it moves a lot of the weight to the rear and is a DCT). All of which will require a ton of money/fabrication to make work. The swap will also cut into the cabin for the extra driveshaft and transfer case. You also have to take into consideration front subframe in relation to the driveshafts and front diff, front diff and axles in relation to an engine that can't move up any, and a driveshaft that that realistically needs to be on the passenger side, and trying to fit an exhaust at the same (unless hood dump is your fancy)
That all sounds like an incredible amount of shit to stuff under this car.
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That all sounds like an incredible amount of shit to stuff under this car.
Yes. Which makes it not worth it for about 99.8% of people.
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Yes. Which makes it not worth it for about 99.8% of people.
I'll bet it's fewer than that. Honestly fitting the LS in here was pretty hard. It's not possible to get AWD components in here without SIGNIFICANT modifications to the belly of the car. You're well beyond an engine swap and deep into one off gimmick project territory. But of course you understand this and want to do it anyways
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I'll bet it's fewer than that. Honestly fitting the LS in here was pretty hard.
AWD is super off topic, but FWIW, the LS AWD oil pan sets the diff/front driveshafts in the correct spot for axle into front hubs... but still need to get around the steering shaft and subframe clearance issues.

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So are you suggesting someone transplant a transverse k24 into the BRZ because if not then I donít understand how those components would work longitudinally?

Just saying: AWD isnít exactly better, except in certain conditions, so the idea seems to be without merit. I would think the Civic Type R would have proved that.
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speaking of oil pans...... lol any updates on what that looks like for the kseries swap?
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speaking of oil pans...... lol any updates on what that looks like for the kseries swap?
Trying to make it affordable and repeatable. I know its taking a while but unless you guys want to pay $1000 for an oil pan like the one on KMiata, I need a little more time to figure out how to do it for less but still be a decent product.
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Trying to make it affordable and repeatable. I know its taking a while but unless you guys want to pay $1000 for an oil pan like the one on KMiata, I need a little more time to figure out how to do it for less but still be a decent product.
So you must be working on a cast piece then; a stamped piece would probably be more expensive and require large equipment. That should keep the price reasonable. For instance, Iíve seen cast bell housing adapters be reasonable in price compared to their CNC-machined, billet counterparts, which is surprising because they look OEM. Similarly, a custom welded oil pan that needs to be pressure/leak tested has to be more expensive than a cast piece that can get machined and decked quickly and consistently.
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So you must be working on a cast piece then; a stamped piece would probably be more expensive and require large equipment. That should keep the price reasonable. For instance, Iíve seen cast bell housing adapters be reasonable in price compared to their CNC-machined, billet counterparts, which is surprising because they look OEM. Similarly, a custom welded oil pan that needs to be pressure/leak tested has to be more expensive than a cast piece that can get machined and decked quickly and consistently.
Casting is practical for large scale production. Fabrication is generally better for small run due to up front costs. I don't know how many of these they think they will sell or if there is some new cheap casting technology but I can't see casting being more practical.
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Tough problem for the numbers. Maybe set up a core exchange for rework.
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Casting is practical for large scale production. Fabrication is generally better for small run due to up front costs. I don't know how many of these they think they will sell or if there is some new cheap casting technology but I can't see casting being more practical.
https://www.mazworx.com/mazworx-favq...t-frs/brz.aspx

Custom bellhousing for BRZ to CD009. It is hard to know what the bellhousing would retail for by itself, but I can’t imagine these kits selling in high volumes.





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