Tail Light Condensation - Page 38 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

PMok · 01-07-2013, 03:55 PM

Yeah to me it seems that the foam gasket is where the water is getting by into the back, then into the small holes around the bulb socket openings. Notice in the pic below, how little bits of leaves/dirt is getting caught on the adhesive which only seems to cover the top portion of the foam gasket. As flimsy as the gasket is, I can see how even just removing the tails once could ruin the integrity of the foam gasket's seal against the lens housing or against the body panels. I'm thinking if you put a ring of silicone or other similar substance around the gasket before installing it, it will help keep the water out of the back?

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Phaedrus29 · 01-07-2013, 03:55 PM

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Over lunch hour I took the Colin tail lights out and noticed the gaskets from the stockers didn't stay put, which is more than likely why I had water in my trunk and condensation in the aftermarket tail lights. I reapplied them, but not before tracing some templates so I can make my own out of a better (and slightly thicker) silicone or neoprene foam. The stock gaskets are about $11 each, but I venture to say that even new, fresh stock ones would suck.

Thanks for the info...please keep us posted. I have some red Colins on order and I'm disappointed to hear that there are condensation issues with those too.

wdninja · 01-07-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PMok

I'm thinking if you put a ring of silicone or other similar substance around the gasket before installing it, it will help keep the water out of the back?

Good idea. I'm going to order a sheet of 1/4" thick neoprene foam and do exactly that after I cut the templates out. I might cut 2 sets out so I can also test the stock tail light housings with the thicker sealed gaskets.

By the way, when removing the tail light housings, the 4 nuts holding it on are 8mm (5/16" works too). Another thread said it was 10mm. A 8mm deep socket or ratcheting wrench are easiest.

I'll document all these steps incase it works well, then I can use it for a DIY.

Skibum4444 · 01-07-2013, 05:44 PM

Just brought mine in for this. Of course they are back ordered.

PMok · 01-07-2013, 06:10 PM

can someone link to the full TSB for this issue? I have tried searching 5 different ways and can't find it, and I'm not about to go read through 14 pages of this thread hoping to find it. Would be nice if someone who posted in the first page of this thread could link to it so at least it would be easier to find.

Specifically I would like to see the instructions to reinstall the housing, what the torque specs are and what the proper sequence of tightening the bolts is.

gmookher · 01-07-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PMok

can someone link to the full TSB for this issue? I have tried searching 5 different ways and can't find it, and I'm not about to go read through 14 pages of this thread hoping to find it. Would be nice if someone who posted in the first page of this thread could link to it so at least it would be easier to find.

Specifically I would like to see the instructions to reinstall the housing, what the torque specs are and what the proper sequence of tightening the bolts is.

this?

PMok · 01-07-2013, 06:32 PM

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this?

perfect, thank you!

wdninja · 01-07-2013, 09:01 PM

I suck with the pen tool, but here's a rough template for the gasket. I ordered a sheet of 1/4" thick neoprene foam, I'll keep this thread updated with the results of the testing.

pastuch · 01-08-2013, 10:42 AM

Both my lights have been ordered, I'll keep you posted on how the install goes. It's been 3 weeks and they still aren't in.

alrashwa · 01-10-2013, 02:53 PM

Seeing some slight condensation coming back in both of the tail lights, this is after they were already replaced a few weeks ago.

Siberian Husky · 01-11-2013, 11:05 PM

Does anyone know is this issue has been rectified by toyota in later builds? I just pulled the trigger on an FRS and it is on its way from the land of the rising sun as we speak--should be here the 28th. Been reading all the horrible issues in this part of the forum and for some reason the only one that really bothers me is this notorious condensation issue. I am also subscribing hoping the member that is going to test a thicker foam gasket finds a cure. These kinds of problems are generally fixed by the popular effort of the community rather than the manufacturer; glad we have some trouble shooters on our side; I'm rooting for you guys!

gmookher · 01-11-2013, 11:28 PM

i still think its tq spec..

wdninja · 01-12-2013, 01:42 AM

I have posted my DIY for making your own neoprene foam tail light gaskets here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26217.

I have yet to extensively test the new gaskets. It's raining tonight, but it's supposed to be sunny and warm tomorrow so I'll do my testing then.

Yruyur · 01-12-2013, 11:02 AM

Got my new tailight installed yesterday. Unfortunately dont get much rain here. Crossing my fingers.

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alrashwa Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: '12 370Z Monterey Blue Location: Washington Posts: 230 Thanks: 120 Thanked 60 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Seeing some slight condensation coming back in both of the tail lights, this is after they were already replaced a few weeks ago.

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