Do dealers re-torque lugs during PDI? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Sport-Tech · 04-17-2012, 09:42 PM

Anyone with first-hand knowledge on this? They probably need some adjustment after shipping.

NESW20 · 04-17-2012, 11:11 PM

the dealership i worked at never torqued wheel nuts during a routine PDI. if there was any reason to remove a wheel, then obviously that one would get torqued, but otherwise, no. i don't think anyone checks wheel torque during a PDI.

Draco-REX · 04-17-2012, 11:13 PM

Possibly. But it's not like it's difficult to do yourself. It might not be a bad idea since "re-torquing" to most service techs means "hit with an air gun until your palm gets numb."

Ranatsu · 04-18-2012, 02:13 AM

I would be legitimately surprised if they actually used a torque wrench or torque sticks at all in the process of putting the wheel lugs on.

Sport-Tech · 04-18-2012, 03:41 AM

They would at the factory, wouldn't they?

Dave-ROR · 04-18-2012, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

They would at the factory, wouldn't they?

Factory uses a machine to torque them to spec.

StuttterButtter · 04-18-2012, 12:43 PM

When i worked at Toyota for 5 years as tech they supplied 1 impact wrench torque adapter Per 15 techs (some long orange thing that just whent on the end of your impact wrench) they would get lost all the time and they never stayed on the gun and would scratch the rims. The only time we did was for when there was a recall on Tundra lug-nuts. So unless a customer asked to have his wheel TRQ we never would and just used a impact gun. And we never did for a New car inspections.

So im gonna say no on this 1.

dsgerbc · 04-18-2012, 01:05 PM

Nothing about re-torquing wheels in pre-delivery inspection part of the FSM for my legacy. And I don't care. I'm gonna take off wheels same date to test-fit some other wheels I have, so no matter.

NESW20 · 04-18-2012, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Possibly. But it's not like it's difficult to do yourself. It might not be a bad idea since "re-torquing" to most service techs means "hit with an air gun until your palm gets numb."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ranatsu

I would be legitimately surprised if they actually used a torque wrench or torque sticks at all in the process of putting the wheel lugs on.

being a former service tech, i can tell you that 95% of techs i have worked with used torque sticks on impacts or manually torqued wheels every time they re-installed them. there are certainly some techs who don't, but ask me how many comebacks i've had due to any issue with wheels whatsoever... i'll give you a hint: i can count it on zero fingers.

Jeff Lange · 04-18-2012, 09:29 PM

I don't think I've ever seen a tech tighten wheels without using a torque stick or torque wrench.

Jeff

Draco-REX · 04-18-2012, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20

being a former service tech, i can tell you that 95% of techs i have worked with used torque sticks on impacts or manually torqued wheels every time they re-installed them. there are certainly some techs who don't, but ask me how many comebacks i've had due to any issue with wheels whatsoever... i'll give you a hint: i can count it on zero fingers.

I'm sure. But for every tch like you, there's one that doesn't have a clue. I've personally seen a tech use a torque wrench, carefully set it to the appropriate torque, tighten a lug nut, and then BOUNCE his entire body weight on the torque wrench.

Since I can't be sure if I'll get a tech like you, or like the above moron, I prefer to do stuff like this myself.

littlefoot · 04-21-2012, 03:42 AM

I read the PDI sheet for the FRS today it's two pages long and has what seemed to be at least two dozen items on it to check and torquing the lugs was not one of them. The list was very comprehensive.

#87 · 04-21-2012, 04:00 AM

I don't know about Toyota dealers but when I used to go to Honda I would have to stand on the wrench to get the lugs off afterwards. That was part of the reason I started doing my own maintenance, and of course the dealership rip off prices.

Sport-Tech · 04-21-2012, 09:20 AM

One solution: only allow the dealer to do the wheel change if they allow you to watch while the tech manually torques the wheels, and require that he shows you the wrench setting. (I've read that torque sticks on impacts are not very accurate.)

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Sport-Tech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: TBD Location: Toronto Posts: 2,583 Thanks: 665 Thanked 685 Times in 386 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	They would at the factory, wouldn't they?

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StuttterButtter Yes i have a stutter Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 94 Acura Integra Location: Tampa FL Posts: 116 Thanks: 13 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	When i worked at Toyota for 5 years as tech they supplied 1 impact wrench torque adapter Per 15 techs (some long orange thing that just whent on the end of your impact wrench) they would get lost all the time and they never stayed on the gun and would scratch the rims. The only time we did was for when there was a recall on Tundra lug-nuts. So unless a customer asked to have his wheel TRQ we never would and just used a impact gun. And we never did for a New car inspections. So im gonna say no on this 1.

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dsgerbc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: BRZ(sold), STI Location: A2, MI Posts: 1,915 Thanks: 176 Thanked 419 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nothing about re-torquing wheels in pre-delivery inspection part of the FSM for my legacy. And I don't care. I'm gonna take off wheels same date to test-fit some other wheels I have, so no matter.

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#87 I usually post drunk Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 1,487 Thanks: 15 Thanked 490 Times in 231 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't know about Toyota dealers but when I used to go to Honda I would have to stand on the wrench to get the lugs off afterwards. That was part of the reason I started doing my own maintenance, and of course the dealership rip off prices.

04-21-2012, 09:20 AM	#14
Sport-Tech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: TBD Location: Toronto Posts: 2,583 Thanks: 665 Thanked 685 Times in 386 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	One solution: only allow the dealer to do the wheel change if they allow you to watch while the tech manually torques the wheels, and require that he shows you the wrench setting. (I've read that torque sticks on impacts are not very accurate.)

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