BRZ STi NA 220-230 hp Rumors

[86'd]

Unless something crazy happens the STi will be the heaviest of all the models.

230hp NA is almost perfect though. And even with the increased weight it will still be quicker.

I would also assume the car will cost around $32,000 USD.

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by 86'd

Unless something crazy happens the STi will be the heaviest of all the models.

230hp NA is almost perfect though. And even with the increased weight it will still be quicker.

I would also assume the car will cost around $32,000 USD.

Even with a raised HP, the increased in weight plays a factor in handling & braking. I'd rather have a modest bump in HP, but with less weight. But we all know that is not happening.

[nonicname]

I hate all this Hybrid crap! they've better not put a fan motor in this car.

[Zaku]

hehehehehehehehehehehe

[SkAsphalt]

They shouldn't call it an STI. maybe an RS? or did RS stand for Rally Sport?

Subaru needs to think of a better brand for a FR based performance car is what I am getting at. People associated STI with turbo, RS with rally. etc.

[WingsofWar]

If Subaru does adopt a FA25 ill only accept it if it retains its 100hp/l at 250hp+

Otherwise an FA20 making 230hp@8000rpm while still retaining 30mpg and low co2 is fantastic.

Weight gains are expected but within reason. in the same token there is no reason the car should gain 200lbs of weight in non-performance areas.

For those worried about any sort of weight gains, remember the key is low CoG. Any weight gains will still be very diminished vs cars with higher CoM.

If anything, like i have said in the past. the FA20 needs an intelligent lift profile on the cams. The current AVCS does not have i-lift. Despite the high factory compression ratio, its not as high strung as initially predicted. Plenty of head room and improvements on the factory components can be seen already based on recent tuner experiences.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

They shouldn't call it an STI. maybe an RS? or did RS stand for Rally Sport?

Subaru needs to think of a better brand for a FR based performance car is what I am getting at. People associated STI with turbo, RS with rally. etc.

I hear ya,

STI and STi are not one in the same. So for people who are slightly ignorant of that only see STi as one entity, assocated with AWD, TURBO, BBK ect.

Subaru Impreza WRX STi ts sounds redundant until you realize that Tuning shop STi is a separate entity.

The BRZ should not be released as an STi, rather BRZ Ts. Considering it is tuning shop STi that is offering the BRZ variant, and not Subaru/FHI.

[Demandred7]

Originally Posted by nonicname

I hate all this Hybrid crap! they've better not put a fan motor in this car.

I agree, current hybrid technology would add more than 200 lbs (Comparing Camry to Camry Hybrid as a basis). Costly lighter systems start jacking up the price without sufficient gains. Screw CAFE, make a FI system available (as an accessory) for a reasonable price, I would be more interested in that.

[Xenocide117]

I would almost expect that HP figure to appear across the board, not just in the STi. I suspect what will make it special is the appearance as well as the handling upgrades.

Unless I totally missed the this being an STi only HP bump part of the article.

*edit before someone gets mad at my "i"s being capitalized.*

[catharsis]

so basically they're doing nothing more than bolt ons and a tune. Not that exciting i'd rather get a base model and build my own "sti"

[CyberFormula]

18inch wheel is unnecessary

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by catharsis

so basically they're doing nothing more than bolt ons and a tune. Not that exciting i'd rather get a base model and build my own "sti"

Pretty standard thinking, id agree to do this as well if it wern't for a few points.

If you manage to get a BRZ for flatout 26k out the door, or used for 22-23k.

Spent an additional 2-3k on mods to equal the difference between the base and a STi in performance alone. you might still end up coming a bit short. Heres why, assuming you would be able to buy a BRZ STi for 33k out the door. (pricey i know) You would still get 18in wheels, suspension and brakes upgraded. An ECU adjustment with raised redline, 20-30hp more while still been economical and meeting emissions. A while being able to retain your warrenty and have a substantially larger resale value in 10 years vs base model.

Consider the following..Buy a used base BRZ at 23k
+$1200 on wheels and tires
+$600-1000 on aftermarket suspension
+$400-$3000 on BBK
+$300-$600 on ECU install and tune
+$400-$800 performance Exhaust
ect... you start to figure in that maybe just outright consolidating all that money you spent on mods to equal or greater than STi, into your monthly payments you'll be saving more money overall. Eyeballing probably well beyond 2k in savings alone if you just bought a BRZ STi. Not to mention install times or if you payed for the labor to get your BRZ to that level.

If the difference between the STi and Base model including all factory options is less than 5k MSRP, then the better value is the STi.

If the difference between the STi and Base model is more than 6k including factory options, it becomes more apparent that Subaru missed its mark, and is playing in price territories of real sports cars, and might fall short in the lower totem poll.

Basically the BRZ STi NEEDS to be priced between 29-30k MSRP to be considered a successful release. That is 2k more than Limited and 4-5k more than Base(premium).

That additional 5-6k premium from base will still get you;
Wheels + Tires
Suspension
BBK
ECU tune
20-30hp bump
Exhaust
Front and Rear under diffuser
Side Steps
Rear Spoiler
Warrenty
Resale Value
*limited options (Digital HVAC, Fogs, HID, etc..)
not to forget the possibilty of having STi badging on your seats, your gauge cluster, possibly a flexable strutbar.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

18inch wheel is unnecessary

They actually might be necessary to fit the BBK. If the brakes are comparable to the 86 TRD Brembo BBK (costs $9k USD) plus BRZ STI parts have comparable MSRPs to their TRD counterparts and the TRD GT 86 price reflects the cost of its upgraded parts (like +$15k USD worth), it's hard to imagine this car being a bargain.

[Texas BRZ]

I won't keep my expectations high, but I'll try to be realistic. I'd be interested in a bit more track-ready version. Some less weight (or the same as the standard vehicle), better brake system (to better withstand track duty), upgraded suspension (inspires more feel & confidence), better tires (more grip), just a tad bit more power (keeping same NA engine), and similar fuel efficiency as the standard car also... All for a very reasonable price premium. That should work for me, I think...

One thing's for sure... The rumors are fun and exciting to read about. And if anything, I really feel the standard car is almost good enough already... Hard to imagine it getting too much better, but I guess we'll see in the future.