Comparing my new 2017 BRZ Premium with my 2013 BRZ

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

So it looks that the stock suspension cannot support anymore very sticky tires (more body roll). The original idea was to have a suspension that is more oriented for the track. You were changing just the tires and the brake pads and you were good to go. Now it looks that it is one-way to install coilovers or to wait for the performance package (Sachs suspension).


Anyways, I was many months off so maybe similar discussions have been made already.

If the PP Sachs setup is anything like the STI Performance x Bilstein setup, the ride would be more compliant overall than stock yet similar body roll when throwing around a corner while at the same time offering more road grip.

But now I'm wondering about this new stock setup, like if the shock cartridge is the same and just valved differently, or that the internals have improved and now are actually different.

[BRZ@SGP]

The 2017 suspension to me is perfect. I enjoy depressing the right pedal, even on uneven road. The chassis just plough through the bumps with a well-composed glide. U feel the bumps, minus the bouncy effect. The tires stick to the road like magnets too.

[LOLS2K]

Does the 2017 PP Suspension package lower the vehicle at all?

[~el~jefe~]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

That's why you finance through Costco or a credit union right?

But I agree, Hot Lava is nice. Sometimes I regret not getting it myself.

if you are approved through a credit union, credit is already good, and it makes no difference where you go, one is just hunting for $20 dollars less per month financing.

[goldenfri]

Originally Posted by LOLS2K

Does the 2017 PP Suspension package lower the vehicle at all?

Nope, still monster truck status.

[LOLS2K]

Originally Posted by goldenfri

Nope, still monster truck status.

Much like when guys would run CR suspension on nonCR AP1/AP2

[goldenfri]

Originally Posted by LOLS2K

Much like when guys would run CR suspension on nonCR AP1/AP2

Yup, CR suspension is great, but soo high up...

[track junkie]

Originally Posted by justinco

Interesting that you think the 2017 is so much softer feeling. I disagree that it has less feedback and vibration.

To me, the chassis/ride felt exactly like my 2013 FRS, stock for stock.

What I noticed was the drivetrain was smoother, shifting, pedals, gear throws, etc...Guess everyone's butt dyno is different.

Is yours a US version or other?

I would not say "so much softer feeling" just not as stiff, more comfortable, noticably less vibrations/stimuli, and has more body roll in the turns than the 2013 BRZ. It's easily noticable on imperfect roads and more difficult to notice on smooth roads. Subaru also disclosed they changed the dampers and springs to improve ride comfort and reduce vibrations.

Anyone should be able to feel the difference between the 2017 BRZ and the old BRZ, if they are comparing completely stock vehicles with the same wheels, tires, air pressure and driving over the same imperfect roads.

[Poodles]

You guys are aware that the damper changes actually happened in 2015, right? Unless it's a PP, it's the same stuff as the '15 and '16.

Yes, there is quite a large difference between the ride quality from a 2013/14. I don't notice any body roll difference though, only in how harsh it is.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Poodles

You guys are aware that the damper changes actually happened in 2015, right? Unless it's a PP, it's the same stuff as the '15 and '16.

The 2017 Subaru technical document says the standard dampers were revised.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Poodles

You guys are aware that the damper changes actually happened in 2015, right? Unless it's a PP, it's the same stuff as the '15 and '16.

In fact the '15 and '16 versions had less body roll comparing with the '13 versions. Check here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...91&postcount=1

[track junkie]

Originally Posted by Poodles

You guys are aware that the damper changes actually happened in 2015, right? Unless it's a PP, it's the same stuff as the '15 and '16.

Yes, there is quite a large difference between the ride quality from a 2013/14. I don't notice any body roll difference though, only in how harsh it is.

There was a damper change only in 2015 for the BRZ and for 2017 they changed dampers, springs and a rear sway bar?

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by track junkie

There was a damper change only in 2015 for the BRZ and for 2017 they changed dampers, springs and a rear sway bar?

Yes.

They also increase the chassis rigidity on the 2016 model year around the rear suspension.
*by B pillar & where the strut sits?

[2013dgmbrzdood]

The problem with 13 is the rear shocks are a complete joke and nearly like a single action shocks. They simply can not keep up on bumps and this is imo precisely what leads to a dangerous event when combined with a bad road. The shocks bog the entire rear end down and give a harshness when they do recover. Imo the roads are the biggest danger and unknown so the car must be equipped to handle them. A subaru should make you want to catch air when cornerning on a bump not make you feel as if you are going to loose control.

I want a pp bad!