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No question Toyota is a master of lean, I mean their past executives did manage to help turn around the fortunes for Porsche. No high power 86/BRZ because that would go against one of the original ideals of the Miata in which this project was really based on. |
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H4 vs I4 is a big difference unfortunately. Usually a performance 2L I4 is 300lbs ish maybe less, but the H4 engines are more in the mid 300lb range. Strap on turbos and intercoolers, the 6 cylinder will probably gain close to 100lbs. |
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If they don't make changes then no more 86. I hope they use an updated wrx engine in the gen2. |
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Might as well bring up how much an LS weighs for how relevant it is to the discussion at hand. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying this car will never have a V6 in it from the factory. |
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The whole conversation was about weight...-_-
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Why discuss the weight of some unrealistic hypothetical?
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Those "low customer demand" sales numbers are still way above some of the iconic cars that people here swoon over. Higher power would not sell more of the car just shift the group of buyers. All the F&F YO, numbers rule, bench racers would buy them and the average just want a nice little inexpensive coupe crowd would stop. Even if they increased the HP by 50% half the people screaming for more would still say it isn't enough and not buy the car. Then if they doubled it that same crowd would whine how much it costs and it is a rip off and STILL not buy it.
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Every time I read someone bitching about the twins, I assume they don't know how to drive the car, and seem to think that keeping the revs in the tq dip is the ideal solution for performance. |
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Having said that though I doubt they consider this a failure from a financial perspective. They knew well and good what they were getting into. That they struggled to meet supply at launch suggests they never intended to make a profit selling large volumes. To put into perspective, would anyone take a supercharged yaris or hotted corolla seriously if that was all you had? Even Honda has copped it on this front. Sometimes you need some loss leaders. Anyway fast forward and engine options are out because subaru won't allow it (eats into wrx sales) and shoving anything else in there will change the car too much. I suspect the MR2, alongside other cars is a way of toyota saying what else can we do since the life of the 86 is limited. THe advantage of MR2 is that there is no need for engine development (it will more or less run FF configurations in reverse) and all it requires is some chassis development which Toyota already has a predecessor anyhow - this is a viable option to explore given the 86 life is limited. |
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of all the click bait articles about a "new MR2" this seems to be a better written one.
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