Gun Showcase Thread (No Politics or Philosophical Discussions)

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

This picture warms my heart. So many nice pistols... and zero Glocks.

9mm M1911s are sacrilege, though. The ghost of JMB is going to come and haunt your house now.

Naaaah, no they're not. The Browning Hi-power was an improvement on the 1911 design by JMB and that was designed around 9x19mm parabellum.

Good competition 9mm 1911's (as in, production class, not IPSC open class space-gun compensated types) are stupidly easy on the recoil. It's almost like "did that even fire?" Near 22-like when done up right.

[MVJ1975]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Naaaah, no they're not. The Browning Hi-power was an improvement on the 1911 design by JMB and that was designed around 9x19mm parabellum.

Actually, JMB had little to do with the Hi Power as we know it. That was mostly Dieudonne Saive with some help from John's son Val. JMB's Grand Rendement was a much different pistol; it was striker-fired.

And if you wanted a nice, all-steel 9mm... why not just buy the Hi Power? Or, for that matter, a CZ-75...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

And if you wanted a nice, all-steel 9mm... why not just buy the Hi Power? Or, for that matter, a CZ-75...

The design of the 1911 appeals to me and it's my money? I'll grab a CZ too. And a 'proper' .45 auto 1911, eventually. Where I'm at with my skills right now is not somewhere that intersects with .45 auto and the recoil is an issue for my wrist.

1911 caliber arguments are a waste of time. Let's just stop here? You don't like it when the platform is chambered for 9mm, I do. Enough said?

EDIT: Shit, I told my grandma I got a pistol (former USSR, lives elsewhere - not in America) and she started asking me about the famous American Colt pistol before I could even tell her I got a 1911. It's so recognizable with such a rich history and can be had in any caliber you want...

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

The design of the 1911 appeals to me and it's my money? I'll grab a CZ too. And a 'proper' .45 auto 1911, eventually. Where I'm at with my skills right now is not somewhere that intersects with .45 auto and the recoil is an issue for my wrist.

1911 caliber arguments are a waste of time. Let's just stop here? You don't like it when the platform is chambered for 9mm, I do. Enough said?

With good quality defensive ammunition (read: jacketed hollowpoints... do NOT run hardball for your defensive carry ammo), the differences between the major calibers (9, 40, 45, 357sig) for auto pistols (that is, auto-loading, not auto-firing) is insignificant compared to shot placement. They will ALL do the job just fine.

I carry 45 because a 9mm 1911 is harder to find and thus can be a bit more expensive usually. Thus, I went with a 45 1911. I went with a 1911 because that's what I was originally taught with (Spring 2006, Gunsite Academy Pistol 250) b/c I didn't have a pistol of my own and had to use a facility rental. Thus, a nice 1911. It fits my hands well, conceals well (viva la single stack!), and ... that trigger... day-am !

I also have a 9mm backup gun (Sig Sauer P938) that is also just as excellent for its purpose. Both calibers will do their jobs fine and both calibers work for the kind of duty their specific guns are for, for me.

[OrbitalEllipses]

It's a range toy for all intents and purposes - there is no OC or CCW here. No real CCW anyway, not unless you're politically connected or have a police report. Hence, no concern about carry or anything else. I WILL however shoot some 124gr Gold Dots I have on hand through it to see if they feed properly.

[SilverlightPony]

Originally Posted by RFB

Meant to say Josh Randal. When Steve Mcqueen used one in the TV series Wanted Dead Or Alive it was always at face to face distance (pistol dueling).

Used in a gunfight at pistol distance it usually has the advantage.

Ever notice the large size of the rifle cartridges on Steve's belt ? Almost 30.06 ! Looked like only 2 would fit in the mares leg mag tube LOL !





CERBERUS

The ones on his belt were a larger caliber than what the prop gun was actually chambered for, IIRC.

But no, you'd think firing a pistol round from a 12" (or thereabouts) barrel would be moderately accurate (compared to other pistols), but this Rossi Ranch Hand shoots a good 8° high and 5-6° left.

[MVJ1975]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

The design of the 1911 appeals to me and it's my money? I'll grab a CZ too. And a 'proper' .45 auto 1911, eventually. Where I'm at with my skills right now is not somewhere that intersects with .45 auto and the recoil is an issue for my wrist.

1911 caliber arguments are a waste of time. Let's just stop here? You don't like it when the platform is chambered for 9mm, I do. Enough said?

EDIT: Shit, I told my grandma I got a pistol (former USSR, lives elsewhere - not in America) and she started asking me about the famous American Colt pistol before I could even tell her I got a 1911. It's so recognizable with such a rich history and can be had in any caliber you want...

I didn't say I didn't like it... I'm just giving you a hard time about it.

Besides, I own a Star Model B (essentially the same thing) anyway.

I've never really been bothered by the .45 M1911s recoil. It's a big steel pistol. If you can handle a polymer 9mm I'd say you won't have an issue with a .45 M1911.

Honestly, I find the worst recoil in a semi-auto pistol comes from blowback pistols like the PP, Makarov, etc. The Astra 600 in 9x19 is god-awful.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

I've never really been bothered by the .45 M1911s recoil. It's a big steel pistol. If you can handle a polymer 9mm I'd say you won't have an issue with a .45 M1911.

Honestly, I really hate polymer 9mm compared to steel. There's so much more muzzle flip it reminds me of a toned down .40SW in polymer. More manageable, but annoying.

My problem is wrist locking/strength - specifically, I don't have the strength to lock my wrist very well due to an old (dumb) injury and I have poor form in understanding HOW to lock my wrist without putting a death grip on the pistol. I actually started out the range day playing with the Springfield TRP and shot reasonably well - but 30 minutes later I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and you could see the muzzle flip so much more violently. To me, there's no reason to have a .45 when I can't even shoot 9mm remotely well.

[MVJ1975]

Have you gotten any time on a CZ-75 platform? I think you'd really like one. Big, steel, and low bore axis really cuts the felt recoil down.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

Have you gotten any time on a CZ-75 platform? I think you'd really like one. Big, steel, and low bore axis really cuts the felt recoil down.

Nope! I want an SP-01 though. I fingerbanged a 75B at the store and the ergos just made me want to throw the money down right then and there, but they had it overpriced. One thing I noticed was the slide real-estate is just not there (due to the frame/slide interface design) and I had some trouble racking it, but I assume that's a training issue that will go away with time.

Ideally, I'd like an SP-01 Shadow or a semi-custom 75 with SAO trigger. DA/SA triggers make me cry and the stock trigger in the 75B I tried was pretty meh. I understand you're not shooting DA all the time and the normal action of the gun would be SA, but 1911 triggers make me jump for joy - partially why I got a striker fired polymer pistol in the first place was that each trigger pull is identical.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Honestly, I really hate polymer 9mm compared to steel. There's so much more muzzle flip it reminds me of a toned down .40SW in polymer. More manageable, but annoying.

My problem is wrist locking/strength - specifically, I don't have the strength to lock my wrist very well due to an old (dumb) injury and I have poor form in understanding HOW to lock my wrist without putting a death grip on the pistol. I actually started out the range day playing with the Springfield TRP and shot reasonably well - but 30 minutes later I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and you could see the muzzle flip so much more violently. To me, there's no reason to have a .45 when I can't even shoot 9mm remotely well.

Actually, the death grip IS the proper way to grip the pistol. That helps lock the pistol into your overall mass and keeps it from putting all the recoil force onto your wrists. Mas Ayoob calls it the "crush grip", as you use your palms and heels of your hands to effectively try and "crush" the grip of the pistol, which locks the pistol in, leaving your fingers freed up from helping grip the pistol to ONLY firing it (b/c finger movement is linked between them, so if you're tensing some of your fingers, your trigger finger dexterity is also affected and you're more likely to yank the trigger to the side than straight back). Think of it kind of like the traction circle. So, here you're taking the partial duty of grip from the trigger finger (b/c that's what the other fingers are doing) and letting it be 100% for trigger pulling.

[MVJ1975]

What you want is a CZ-75SA. SAO from the factory. Unfortunately, due to CZ's feast-or-famine production schemes and import silliness they can be a royal bitch to find.

You get used to the lesser amount of surface area on the slide. Just takes some practice.

You might also look at some of the clones; you can often get them in configurations that CZ doesn't/won't make.

My CZ-75 type is just an inexpensive Turkish clone, but I love it all the same.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

What you want is a CZ-75SA.

CZ75 TS

Noticed you're over in hoodbridge...we should meet up at NRA HQ at some point.

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Actually, the death grip IS the proper way to grip the pistol.

I've heard the opposite. This only highlights that I need to take some pistol courses.

[SirBrass]

My advice comes from formal instruction, both from private range time, and from Mas Ayoob. If you're interested, the total amount of time I've taken formal instruction is at about 200 hours total over the years. I need more.

I can't remember what Gunsite advised, but it was definitely along the lines of "strong grip." Come to think of it, it was very much like the crush grip method, but they integrated it with the full weaver stance, whereas Mas teaches it for use with any stance: isosceles, partial weaver, and full weaver.