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2.0L NA 260hp 175tq CPT Ford Duratec out of Caterham's R500. Seems like the best 2L you can buy.
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My Alfa Twincam 2.0L made me very happy over the 7 years I had it.
Easy motor to work on, chain cam drive, all alloy block, heads and valve covers. It's what sold me on another 2L GT car (FR-S). Was sad to see Alfa go to the V6 after that.
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The 200 hp Silvia S15 is so similar to the BRZ/FRS/86 But I still prefer the SR20DET more =P |
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No love for the B16B? 180hp on a 1.6L with a 9k rpm rev limit.
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Honestly, I think the motors that can comply with all the restrictions of emissions standards AND make power are pretty great feats of engineering.
If a F22 and K20 and 2ZZ could make the same amount of power now as they did then with the same restrictive emissions requirements as today, I'll be even more impressed. Stroker kits and turbo'd probably all remove the cats, so to me, that isn't impressive. Just remove the cats on our cars and we'll instantly make 20HP. Remember, we all need to breathe the air--the less we pollute, the better. That's one reason I'm impressed with the FA20 in our cars. |
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They aren't necessarily that restrictive, either. I guarantee that you won't make anything like +20hp more simply removing the cats on the FA20. I would bet money that it's less than 5hp lost. If that... Best estimates for a test pipe on an S2000, no other mods: 2-3rwhp. I seriously doubt that the Toyobaru cats are any more restrictive at the FA20's lower revs. Emissions regulations have more than likely tremendously INcreased engine performance over the years, as without them some manufacturers would have just stuck with carburetors and much less sophisticated engine management overall. Efficient combustion is inherently pretty clean, main products being CO2 and H2O. More complete burning of fuel gives greater performance, less emissions. |
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Although I think DI makes a huge difference. I wonder if those older cars had DI, would their designs hold up and make more power and be emissions qualified to be on today's market. |
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I still vote for the 4-AGE blacktop, high-revving dream with ~ 175 hp out of 1.6 liters. and plus, like @fatoni said, there are still racing versions of these engines out there making 240+ hp with some work. Takumi's revved to 12,000rpm!!!! (i know it was a cartoon, but i still have great childhood memories of that car)
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Personally, I dont think the 13B or any rotary engine would be considered among the best. Any reciprocating engine gets better milege and most are more reliable.
They have lousy torque too. Plus you are very limited where you can get it serviced when needed. I think Mazda finally realized this so no more rotary. Wankel was a wanker LOL. For reliability and longevity they say the 2AZ-FE 2.4 L is hard to beat. Not so much for.performance ( its in the previous generation Camry as well as the xB2.
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You cannot compare voluemetric efficiency on a rotary displacement since it works completely different. Suffice it to say I'll take reciprocating over rotary any time
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that being said, i still dont think its one of the greats. i just get a little frustrated by these "all things equal" kind of points. in my opinion, "all else equal" means "if you take away all of its advantages and leave only this specific disadvantage i am bringing up, it is at a disadvantage." im not saying thats your intention but i feel thats kind of what is happening |
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