fr-s 2jz swap recommendation

[gt7877]

Dear
I have FRS 2013
With damage crankshaft


I plan to swap it with 2jz

Any recommendations
What part I need (with details plz)
What sites can I buy parts form it?


I can find 2jz with transmission here
But I don't know how to swap it

What about rpm ' actually ' and other electric parts



Thnx a lot



If there is some images with details 😉 well be good

[Clash0901]

You're on the forum you need to be so that's a good start. There are quite a few good threads here with pictures and instructions. Contact Pure Automotive Performance for the best parts.

Also, keep in mind the price point. In my opinion, you will need an absolute minimum of $20,000 to swap it properly. That doesn't include some fab work you may pay for, assuming you can't do it yourself. If you don't know how to swap it and aren't comfortable, DO NOT START! It's not easy... If you are confident, then it can be done.

So far i'm $35k into mine not including the cost of the car, I have maybe another $5-6k to go before it's running to it's full potential but I am also going big power which contributes to the higher costs. I'm doing all the work myself with the help of friends when I need a second hand.

[Mr.ac]

If you want I go engine swaps, why not a V8?
As much as I like a 2jz, price wise your in the same ballpark with a V8

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

If you want I go engine swaps, why not a V8

Location possibly...

[gt7877]

What V8 can I swap??


Is it easier than 2jz??
If yes any thread here ??


Thnx

[Mr.ac]

Originally Posted by gt7877

What V8 can I swap??


Is it easier than 2jz??
If yes any thread here ??


Thnx

You could ask google and get about 5 possible swaps. But I'm nice so I'll tell you.
1. LSx (pretty much any corvette engine)
2. Any Toyota V8 ( if you want to keep things in the Toyota family)
3. Synergy V8. (Some Australian engine)

All would be the same level of "easy" really it's not easy at all it's a lot of work, in fact one might say the price you end up paying you could have got a used V8 car from the get go.

But it all depends how much of a good deal you get parts from. Or if you do most if not all the labor yourself.

[Tcoat]

There are at least 5 apparently abandoned swap projects in this forum alone. There is nothing "easy" about swapping an engine no matter how simple the experts that do it make it appear.
If anybody needs to ask what parts they need "with details" then I would strongly advise against going down this road.
If you want more power just build a stronger FA20 and go FI. The costs will be a fraction of a swap and the learning curve is much, much lower.

[Seanzky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There are at least 5 apparently abandoned swap projects in this forum alone. There is nothing "easy" about swapping an engine no matter how simple the experts that do it make it appear.
If anybody needs to ask what parts they need "with details" then I would strongly advise against going down this road.
If you want more power just build a stronger FA20 and go FI. The costs will be a fraction of a swap and the learning curve is much, much lower.

I thought many did swaps because the cost of a built FA20 with FI was in the same ballpark? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Clash0901

You're on the forum you need to be so that's a good start. There are quite a few good threads here with pictures and instructions. Contact Pure Automotive Performance for the best parts.

Also, keep in mind the price point. In my opinion, you will need an absolute minimum of $20,000 to swap it properly. That doesn't include some fab work you may pay for, assuming you can't do it yourself. If you don't know how to swap it and aren't comfortable, DO NOT START! It's not easy... If you are confident, then it can be done.

So far i'm $35k into mine not including the cost of the car, I have maybe another $5-6k to go before it's running to it's full potential but I am also going big power which contributes to the higher costs. I'm doing all the work myself with the help of friends when I need a second hand.

Originally Posted by Seanzky

I thought many did swaps because the cost of a built FA20 with FI was in the same ballpark? Correct me if I'm wrong.

You can have a built engine with a decent turbo and the supporting system mods for around $10K to $12K US. You could go all out for about $20K. https://crawfordperformance.com/prod...fr-s-gt86-fa20


It isn't just the cost though. An engine swap is a huge task to take on if you are not 100% confident in your abilities. The guys such as @CLAsh above that obviously know what they are doing make it seem simple. It isn't. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126185 Note that his costs are with him doing it all. You could easily double or even triple his quoted costs if somebody else does the work.


Do you have another car? Can you afford to not drive your 86 for a year or more? Even Clash is well into a year and I am not sure if he is even done yet.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There are at least 5 apparently abandoned swap projects in this forum alone. There is nothing "easy" about swapping an engine no matter how simple the experts that do it make it appear.
If anybody needs to ask what parts they need "with details" then I would strongly advise against going down this road.
If you want more power just build a stronger FA20 and go FI. The costs will be a fraction of a swap and the learning curve is much, much lower.

I agree with everything you said except the cost part. When I set on the quest to swap, I was at the crossroads of just building the FA20. Not going to bore with details but here's a breakdown:

Fullblock from Fullblown with heads and block (FBM apparently incorporates in their heads a fix for the failing rocker arms)

Stage 1 block: $3k

Stage 1 heads: $2.7k

While you're there, might as well get a cam: $1.4K

Need to send your motor as core, so can't recoup money on it $2K-3K.

Shipping back and forth: $500-$800

At this point, you still need to reinforce the transmission. Various options from $4k-$25K.

The cheapest option at $4K will require modifications to the transmission tunnel at additional labor.


At this point and choosing the cheapest possible route listed above and not adding the $1-2K labor, you're right about at $13K and still with an FA20 that at any given time, can throw the dreaded P0016-18 codes and could require you to replace your ECU, or OCV valves, or cam sprockets.. or all of them!! And then, after you replace them, the code might come back 6 months later...


Swapping is not the easiest route I definitely agree and it's not for the faint of heart or people who don't have the knowledge or great shop that can do it.

But to contrast on that $13K, I swapped for gross cost of just about $26k, but recouped selling my motor, trans, turbo kit and other mods I was not using more than $13k. Keep in mind I did not use a stock motor, I upgraded it and that added 3K to my swap. I could have done it way cheaper, using something different than Plug and Play Motec ($5.8K) and a cheaper motor (LSs can be had for under $1k as well as transmissions).

After swapping (which was not easy I agree), I am left beating an N/A motor close to its rating from factory with upgraded parts which is basically bulletproof. Will never have a pesky cam code or break the transmission while N/A and making basically the same power with more torque than I was with the FA20 turbo, and basically limitless room to grow from there.

That was long winded...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I agree with everything you said except the cost part. When I set on the quest to swap, I was at the crossroads of just building the FA20. Not going to bore with details but here's a breakdown:

Fullblock from Fullblown with heads and block (FBM apparently incorporates in their heads a fix for the failing rocker arms)

Stage 1 block: $3k

Stage 1 heads: $2.7k

While you're there, might as well get a cam: $1.4K

Need to send your motor as core, so can't recoup money on it $2K-3K.

Shipping back and forth: $500-$800

At this point, you still need to reinforce the transmission. Various options from $4k-$25K.

The cheapest option at $4K will require modifications to the transmission tunnel at additional labor.


At this point and choosing the cheapest possible route listed above and not adding the $1-2K labor, you're right about at $13K and still with an FA20 that at any given time, can throw the dreaded P0016-18 codes and could require you to replace your ECU, or OCV valves, or cam sprockets.. or all of them!! And then, after you replace them, the code might come back 6 months later...


Swapping is not the easiest route I definitely agree and it's not for the faint of heart of people who don't have the knowledge or great shop that can do it.

But to contrast on that $13K, I swapped for gross cost of just about $26k, but recouped selling my motor, trans, turbo kit and other mods I was not using more than $13k. Keep in mind I did not use a stock motor, I upgraded it and that added 3K to my swap. I could have done it way cheaper, using something different than Plug and Play Motec ($5.8K) and a cheaper motor (LSs can be had for under $1k as well as transmissions).

After swapping (which was not easy I agree), I am left beating an N/A motor close to its rating from factory with upgraded parts which is basically bulletproof. Will never have a pesky cam code or break the transmission while N/A and making basically the same power with more torque than I was with the FA20 turbo.

That was long winded...

But see that is the rub! You did not have to pay people to do the work. I can only assume that somebody asking what parts they need and where to get them is not going to be doing a lot of their own work. You also reduced costs by selling parts that the OP does not have so there is that as well. No doubt there is a range of costs for both the upgraded FA20 and the swap but the top range of the upgrade is only the starting point for the swap even at the best case scenario.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But see that is the rub! You did not have to pay people to do the work. I can only assume that somebody asking what parts they need and where to get them is not going to be doing a lot of their own work. You also reduced costs by selling parts that the OP does not have so there is that as well. No doubt there is a range of costs for both the upgraded FA20 and the swap but the top range of the upgrade is only the starting point for the swap even at the best case scenario.

I did pay a shop to do the swap. I helped along every step of the way, but still needed to pay them for their time. I agree the cost is a case by case bases and each one is different, it's a tough decision to make honestly. Best advice for OP is to learn and read about all the little details that are needed for the swap.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I did pay a shop to do the swap. I helped along every step of the way, but still needed to pay them for their time. I agree the cost is a case by case bases and each one is different, it's a tough decision to make honestly. Best advice for OP is to learn and read about all the little details that are needed for the swap.

That is basically the message I am trying to put out there. It isn't as simple as coming on and saying what do I need and where do I get it. There is a bigger picture and other options.
Oh and I will add that in this particular case the OP is listed as in Oman and god only knows what that does to the costs of either method. Every price that has been stated may be massively off what it would cost there.

[Seanzky]

I don't disagree with you. Dissuading the OP from taking on something like an engine swap could be costly and definitely not easy. All I was asking was the costs between a built FA20 with FI versus a swap. The reason I asked was that I thought, from reading other threads in this sub-forum, that many opted to swap because the cost was pretty similar.

From what I remember, building up a stock FA20 and adding FI would cost around $15k. On the other hand, selling everything and getting an LS1, Tremec (Magnum XL, some opted for IIRC?), and an IS300 rear differential was also around the same price. Of course, you'd have to sell your stock engine, transmission and differential for around $8-10k first, but the idea of the out-of-pocket cost being the same but instead you get to "trade up" to a more reliable engine, with more power NA, was the reason most people went the engine swap route. I could be wrong if that's not the case. It's just what I remember from reading threads here a while ago.