valve spring issue? - Page 39 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

DarkPira7e · 12-20-2018, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

I wouldn't count on them doing all sorts of free extra work no matter if the part has to come off anyway. They will receive very little from Subaru for doing the work and are not going to throw away money on doing extra work on 400,000 cars. Doesn't hurt to ask though since individual dealers may be fine with it. Just don't get all pissy if they say no since they are a business and do have to make money the same as any other.

Oh I planned on paying for some level of labor. Just hopefully it's not just book time! I'LL GET PISSY IF I WANT, I'M ENTITLED TO FEELING. Friggen @Tcoat trying to oppress me..

ermax · 12-20-2018, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750

I wanna know why the end links are getting replaced lol

Must be planning to go out the bottom rather than the top. I saw someone say they will be recharging the AC but if you go out the bottom I hardly see a need to evacuate there AC. Who knows.

Tcoat · 12-20-2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

Oh I planned on paying for some level of labor. Just hopefully it's not just book time! I'LL GET PISSY IF I WANT, I'M ENTITLED TO FEELING. Friggen @Tcoat trying to oppress me..

n0thing · 12-20-2018, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ermax

Must be planning to go out the bottom rather than the top. I saw someone say they will be recharging the AC but if you go out the bottom I hardly see a need to evacuate there AC. Who knows.

it's from the top, and only the automatic asks for the swaybar/link to be dropped

BRZnut · 12-20-2018, 07:39 PM

As these get done it would be great if we could have a separate thread (maybe a sticky?) where we can post our experience with the repairs..good or bad.

n0thing · 12-20-2018, 10:11 PM

basically remove engine, timing chain cover, chain, valve cover, cams, rocker arms, valve springs

doubt i can upload the whole document, but feel free to ask questions

reeves · 12-20-2018, 10:40 PM

This recall actually makes me feel grateful my '13 BRZ got t-boned (and totaled) last month

. Especially since I've been revving to 8K rpm the past 4 years & 65K miles. Makes me wonder how much more punishment the 'defective' valves springs could handle?

I'd do it all over again if I could. But maybe I'll buy a '15 & up BRZ this time around.

Ultramaroon · 12-20-2018, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ermax

Must be planning to go out the bottom rather than the top. I saw someone say they will be recharging the AC but if you go out the bottom I hardly see a need to evacuate there AC. Who knows.

Maybe the requirement is to have refrigerant at the ready for contingency.

ermax · 12-21-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by n0thing

it's from the top, and only the automatic asks for the swaybar/link to be dropped

Why touch the endlinks? The manual doesn't say anything about touching the end links even on the auto.

ermax · 12-21-2018, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by n0thing

basically remove engine, timing chain cover, chain, valve cover, cams, rocker arms, valve springs

doubt i can upload the whole document, but feel free to ask questions

I have a question, are the cam subassemblies coming off or are they cheating and removing cam caps to get the cams off?

n0thing · 12-21-2018, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ermax

Why touch the endlinks? The manual doesn't say anything about touching the end links even on the auto.

not sure why, the next step says "REMOVE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION ASSEMBLY COUPLING BOLTS AND NUTS (FOR AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION)"

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Originally Posted by ermax

I have a question, are the cam subassemblies coming off or are they cheating and removing cam caps to get the cams off?

removing the cam caps

keep in mind that technicians may deviate from the published technical instructions to save time, so for example, the swaybar/endlinks may not get touched at all

ermax · 12-21-2018, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by n0thing

removing the cam caps

Okay so they are contradicting the original service manual which specifically says NOT to remove the caps before removing the subassembly for risk of warping the head. They must have come up with new untorquing steps to allow them to remove the caps without removing the subassembly first without causing warpage. This would be a HUGE time saver.

Thinking about this some more, this would make valve lash corrections much easier because you don't have to clean up and reapply packing seal other than the little bit that is on the caps and valve cover. At some point this revision to the instructions needs to go public.

@n0thing, do you know if these instructions are on TIS yet?

n0thing · 12-21-2018, 10:24 AM

@ermax as in regular shop manual for camshaft removal? it still shows removal of cam sub-assembly first, then caps

Tcoat · 12-21-2018, 11:04 AM

Somebody really needs to post the TSB instructions!
If anybody has them but does not want to be linked to them just PM them to me and I will do it.
If they have been posted and I missed them I would truly appreciate a pointer.

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