Confirmed Torsen Differential - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Andy · 12-03-2011, 05:29 AM

I'm happy about this!

"Good news! Toyota 86 will feature Torsen LSD and gearbox is from Toyota Altezza / Lexus IS (automatic from IS-F), so we already have tons of spare parts. Almost all suspension is the same as Impreza"

KAuss · 12-03-2011, 07:07 AM

Me gusta torsen...

torquemada · 12-03-2011, 08:37 AM

the automatic in the IS-F has eight gears

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_IS_(XE20)#IS_F_SPDS

I´m pretty sure they mean IS 250 or IS 350

Silverpike · 12-03-2011, 04:57 PM

I want to know if they are using the Subaru r160/r180 diffs. If so, then we will have plenty of aftermarket support out of the box.

Dark · 12-03-2011, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torquemada

the automatic in the IS-F has eight gears

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_IS_(XE20)#IS_F_SPDS

I´m pretty sure they mean IS 250 or IS 350

If the auto is from ISx50, this car fail so bad. It's slow(lag), and unresponsive. From what I have heard, the 6spd auto is based on 8spd from IS-F. The one similar if not the same as 2013 GS.
Manual one is based off IS300's tranny, but I think the one in FR-S/BRZ is upgraded version.

Ryephile · 12-03-2011, 05:12 PM

Cool.

If it's an existing diff that gives more opportunity for aftermarket options like OS Giken, Quaife, or whatever you prefer.

old greg · 12-03-2011, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverpike

I want to know if they are using the Subaru r160/r180 diffs. If so, then we will have plenty of aftermarket support out of the box.

I seem to recall it being mentioned to be Toyota piece, but I could be wrong. It wouldn't be an R160 or R180 though, those are much too weak for a RWD car. They are Nissan diffs, and the last time either of them was used in a rwd production car was the 510 and the original 240z respectively. If they were going to use a Nissan diff, the obvious choice would be the R200 (silvia/240sx, n/a 300z) as it is quite strong, and is an easy transplant into the Impreza rear subframe.

tranzformer · 12-03-2011, 05:44 PM

This is great news.

Silverpike · 12-03-2011, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old greg

I seem to recall it being mentioned to be Toyota piece, but I could be wrong. It wouldn't be an R160 or R180 though, those are much too weak for a RWD car. They are Nissan diffs, and the last time either of them was used in a rwd production car was the 510 and the original 240z respectively. If they were going to use a Nissan diff, the obvious choice would be the R200 (silvia/240sx, n/a 300z) as it is quite strong, and is an easy transplant into the Impreza rear subframe.

If by "easy transplant" you mean hours of cutting, welding, and relocation, then yes.

I don't really care if it's a Subaru piece, I'm just looking for reliability and aftermarket compatibility.

old greg · 12-03-2011, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverpike

If by "easy transplant" you mean hours of cutting, welding, and relocation, then yes.

My mistake. I knew the mounting points were the same, but didn't realize there were clearance issues.

Kostamojen · 12-03-2011, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverpike

I want to know if they are using the Subaru r160/r180 diffs.

Its neither:

I'm not sure exactly what it is, but folks on that MotoIQ page said its from an IS350 or something. Is that an R200?

old greg · 12-03-2011, 08:03 PM

I've been doing a bit of reading.

The pumpkin is from the IS, but the differential itself is very likely to be the same one that comes in the IS-F. The IS-250/350 have open diffs as far as I can tell, while the ISF comes with a torsen. Aftermarket-wise, there are currently replacements available from OS Giken and Tom's. And if the ring/pinion gears are as strong as those in the IS's, there shouldn't be any need to worry about it's strength.

LeeT · 12-03-2011, 09:53 PM

I'm very happy about the Torsen.

viking84 · 12-04-2011, 05:34 AM

My first post here

I actually just joined to ask what kind of diff this car will have - really good news about the Torsen! I assume this will be the same for both variants (BRZ and GT-86)?

I currently drive a BMW 1-series coupe (120d), and fitting a Quaife diff in it last year completely transformed the car! Made this vid right after the run-in period was over, hopefully the GT-86 will be at least as happy to powerslide

[U2b]fLFupcWTdAs[/U2b]

12-03-2011, 05:29 AM	#1
Andy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Sherwood Forest - UK Posts: 102 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Confirmed Torsen Differential I'm happy about this! "Good news! Toyota 86 will feature Torsen LSD and gearbox is from Toyota Altezza / Lexus IS (automatic from IS-F), so we already have tons of spare parts. Almost all suspension is the same as Impreza"

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Ryephile Hot Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: quicker than arghx7 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 103 Thanked 173 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Cool. If it's an existing diff that gives more opportunity for aftermarket options like OS Giken, Quaife, or whatever you prefer. __________________ "Wisdom is a not a function of age, but a function of experience." Just Say No to unqualified aftermarket products.

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viking84 Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: BMW 120d M-Sport Coupe Location: Norway Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My first post here I actually just joined to ask what kind of diff this car will have - really good news about the Torsen! I assume this will be the same for both variants (BRZ and GT-86)? I currently drive a BMW 1-series coupe (120d), and fitting a Quaife diff in it last year completely transformed the car! Made this vid right after the run-in period was over, hopefully the GT-86 will be at least as happy to powerslide [U2b]fLFupcWTdAs[/U2b] __________________ Contemplating swapping my BMW for a Toyota...! Never thought that would happen

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KAuss Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: 2005 X-Runner BSP Location: Bay Area Posts: 165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Me gusta torsen...

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torquemada natural born kraut Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: EDM WRX STI MY06 WRB Location: germany Posts: 142 Thanks: 5 Thanked 16 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the automatic in the IS-F has eight gears http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_IS_(XE20)#IS_F_SPDS I´m pretty sure they mean IS 250 or IS 350

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Silverpike popular among the JDM Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2014 BRZ Limited Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 88 Thanks: 7 Thanked 31 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I want to know if they are using the Subaru r160/r180 diffs. If so, then we will have plenty of aftermarket support out of the box.

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old greg Rocket Surgeon Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: PSM GGA OMG Location: FL Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 10 Thanked 141 Times in 84 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I've been doing a bit of reading. The pumpkin is from the IS, but the differential itself is very likely to be the same one that comes in the IS-F. The IS-250/350 have open diffs as far as I can tell, while the ISF comes with a torsen. Aftermarket-wise, there are currently replacements available from OS Giken and Tom's. And if the ring/pinion gears are as strong as those in the IS's, there shouldn't be any need to worry about it's strength.

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