Super sensitive steering?

[HKz]

Originally Posted by PhyrraM

I should have clarified. I meant at launch. You need to avoid the torque dip at launch or you're "slow". Other than that, I agree with you.

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..wat? so you're suggesting to dump the clutch at 5 K otherwise what do you consider as the "torque dip"? you don't need an amazing launch either...

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by iBrian

bingo, at higher speeds, small movements with my pinky could send me off into dukes of hazards mode, lol.

i'm going to look into better rubber as i'm going to be upgrading to coils and wheels here very soon.

I forget to mention one thing that can change how it feel as well, the stock steering wheel is very well designed, if you put another wrap of leather or soft material on it. you will dampen a good amount of feedback actually.

'That & sticker/softer tires with softer side wall alone will get it down instead of changing into bigger rims.

see if you can find a new 86 with new michelin pilot super sport locally to test drive, you will see what I mean.


PSPS: go drive your car upto jerome when it's not busy.. I love the road up to it.....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

PSPS: go drive your car upto jerome when it's not busy.. I love the road up to it.....

What about back down?

[Xxyion]

Originally Posted by iBrian

Focus ST, lol. i'm used to torque steer.

Not sure if you've already found the answer but this could be a really big portion of what you are experiencing.

I own both cars and used to own a Fiesta ST before the Focus. Since the BRZ was the car i had before either, the Focus/Fiesta ST steering felt super numb to me. Like there was so much play before the car actually did anything. Not to mention throw in the fact that its a FWD car also meant that i had to fight understeer quite a bit.

The nice thing about that Ford lineup of cars, is that both cars are economy cars with some minor changes to make them more sporty. So many of the luxuries that you get in the other non-sporty models you will get in the ST model. The steering is going to be more direct in a Focus ST compared to a Focus Titanium, but you have to remember the BRZ is a racecar from the bottom up. It's not a modified econobox like the FOcus/Fiesta ST or even the WRX and STi for that matter. The entire point of the car was driver feedback. We have some of the most responsive and direct steering you can get in a car.

[iBrian]

Originally Posted by Xxyion

Not sure if you've already found the answer but this could be a really big portion of what you are experiencing.

I own both cars and used to own a Fiesta ST before the Focus. Since the BRZ was the car i had before either, the Focus/Fiesta ST steering felt super numb to me. Like there was so much play before the car actually did anything. Not to mention throw in the fact that its a FWD car also meant that i had to fight understeer quite a bit.

The nice thing about that Ford lineup of cars, is that both cars are economy cars with some minor changes to make them more sporty. So many of the luxuries that you get in the other non-sporty models you will get in the ST model. The steering is going to be more direct in a Focus ST compared to a Focus Titanium, but you have to remember the BRZ is a racecar from the bottom up. It's not a modified econobox like the FOcus/Fiesta ST or even the WRX and STi for that matter. The entire point of the car was driver feedback. We have some of the most responsive and direct steering you can get in a car.

I still haven't found the answer to my problem, I've slowly been adjusting to the feel of the car, I am going to try different rubber in the near future as i'm looking to get wheels and tires soon as well as coilovers. I think my problem is just that it's a whole different beast and it'll take some time getting used to.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by iBrian

I still haven't found the answer to my problem, I've slowly been adjusting to the feel of the car, I am going to try different rubber in the near future as i'm looking to get wheels and tires soon as well as coilovers. I think my problem is just that it's a whole different beast and it'll take some time getting used to.

BINGO!

[Xxyion]

Originally Posted by iBrian

I still haven't found the answer to my problem, I've slowly been adjusting to the feel of the car, I am going to try different rubber in the near future as i'm looking to get wheels and tires soon as well as coilovers. I think my problem is just that it's a whole different beast and it'll take some time getting used to.

I mean thats all it really is. Remember this is a car that was built to be a racecar from the ground up. Unlike the Focus which was an econobox before and then they added some performance parts and a turbo.

[reeves]

Originally Posted by iBrian

I still haven't found the answer to my problem, I've slowly been adjusting to the feel of the car, I am going to try different rubber in the near future as i'm looking to get wheels and tires soon as well as coilovers. I think my problem is just that it's a whole different beast and it'll take some time getting used to.

It could also just be alignment related, to a certain extent. Too much/little toe, one side's camber is different from the other side, etc... maybe you've got your car being very sensitive to turn in? Just a possibility.

The factory alignment specs allow for a wide variance in toe & camber, so just because your mechanic has "checked" your arms to be ok, it doesn't mean your alignment is ideal for highway driving.

Recently, my car's on-center stability has changed a bit from when I first bought the car. I used to be able to keep it centered on highway lanes at 80+ mph with no effort. Now, it's just (I don't know how to describe it).. sluggishly sensitive. Definitely doesn't feel quite the same as when I first bought the car. I had an alignment done recently to try & correct the "feel", but since I never knew what my original alignment from the factory was, I can't compare to see what's changed, or what might be causing this different steering feel at highway speeds.

It doesn't bug me too much, but I notice subtle changes like this in my car after driving it for 5+ years. I might try getting LCA/camber bolts and tweaking my alignment again to see if I can "improve" the feel to what it used to be.

I'm still on stock wheels (225 tires) & suspension too btw.

[bcj]

When I got mine in '13 and took off down the coast, the steering tended to stick wherever I left it last.
It was mostly tight new bushings and tie rod / rack ends that have loosened up a bit.
I think it's still a sweet steering vehicle now.

[Decep]

Originally Posted by Xxyion

Not sure if you've already found the answer but this could be a really big portion of what you are experiencing.

I own both cars and used to own a Fiesta ST before the Focus. Since the BRZ was the car i had before either, the Focus/Fiesta ST steering felt super numb to me. Like there was so much play before the car actually did anything. Not to mention throw in the fact that its a FWD car also meant that i had to fight understeer quite a bit.

The nice thing about that Ford lineup of cars, is that both cars are economy cars with some minor changes to make them more sporty. So many of the luxuries that you get in the other non-sporty models you will get in the ST model. The steering is going to be more direct in a Focus ST compared to a Focus Titanium, but you have to remember the BRZ is a racecar from the bottom up. It's not a modified econobox like the FOcus/Fiesta ST or even the WRX and STi for that matter. The entire point of the car was driver feedback. We have some of the most responsive and direct steering you can get in a car.

as much as i love the twins i have never heard of a racecar without any camber adjustment i have seen some ND miata drivers get -3 degrees adjustment stock. (ok thats a bit of an exaggeration)

[pfaffendorn]

WTF? Has everyone finally grown tired of whining about the horsepower and now it's the steering?

Sure, I noticed the steering on my 2014 right away, because it's perfect. Telepathically accurate, smooth as silk and gets you around the curves at high speed with minimum of effort and no complaining or suprises. This has also been the opinion of every experienced driver I have invited behind the wheel. If the OP has so radically different an impression, there must be something badly wrong with his car. And the bloviating "experts" lining up to emote upon their weeks of experience (comparing the BRZ to a van, for God's sake), well, pass me the joint, because it must be good. "If the foo shits," as they say.

Okay, now I'm going to put on my hazmat suit to meet the shitstorm that's coming my way. I can't wait. Please note my signature line.

[guybo]

@iBrian what's your rear toe?

[squelchy451]

Most non-enthusiasts that I see have a terrible time keeping their hands steady on the highway and from that, I could see how manufacturers may want to factor in a couple degrees of on-center play on the steering. However, I find that to be even more annoying than having a sensitive steering like the BRZ. At least it's nicely weighted on the BRZ so you have to make a conscious effort to move the steering wheel.