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Old 06-07-2019, 11:05 AM   #113
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Get better winter tires then, I don't know what else will help you.

Like I said earlier, when you drive like you have some sense and understand that there is snow on the ground, gaining traction from a stand still really isn't an issue, especially in a FWD car where there is typically more weight on the drive wheels.

The only real argument would be traction going up a hill.

You sure you didn't get sold some all seasons labeled as winters?
Man I used to get insane wheelspin on michelin x-ice (crappy winter tire btw) in a mini cooper. I can only imagine how much worse 200+ extra hp would be lol. It's all that low-rpm turbo torque
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Man I used to get insane wheelspin on michelin x-ice (crappy winter tire btw) in a mini cooper. I can only imagine how much worse 200+ extra hp would be lol. It's all that low-rpm turbo torque
X-ice are absolute garbage tires.

Bridgestone/Yokohama are so much better.
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X-ice are absolute garbage tires.

Bridgestone/Yokohama are so much better.
I bought cheap chinese winter tires for $460 shipped and no issues since lol. They are noisy as hell though. Very chunky but do the job extremely well
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:40 PM   #116
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No, I'm mainly talking about cars that drive two wheels vs four. Having owned just about every generation of Si, a MR-2, E46 M3, a BRZ, ATS, ND Miata and Golf R, all equipped with winter tires, the AWD cars are always noticeably easier to get moving. I'm not saying driving a high output FWD car in the snow is impossible, I am saying that getting the AWD car moving is mindlessly easy and requires next to no thought compared to the car that drives two wheels.

Anyways, you don't need to take my word for it. Just swing by the Civic X forums or check out Evo UK's, Top Gear's, Throttle House's etc. long-term reviews. They all gripe about wheel spin/hop in the wet or snow.


The coefficient of static friction between wet asphalt and dry asphalt is nearly identical. The coefficient of kinetic friction is much different, so as long as traction isn't lost in wet conditions, they should both fair about the same as they would in dry conditions, given equal ground temps. The best wet tires are summer tires. I'm not saying slicks, but soft and sticky is best. Just saying. Snow tires are completely different than dry/wet conditions as it comes to tire tread and rubber properties.
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Get better winter tires then, I don't know what else will help you.

Like I said earlier, when you drive like you have some sense and understand that there is snow on the ground, gaining traction from a stand still really isn't an issue, especially in a FWD car where there is typically more weight on the drive wheels.

The only real argument would be traction going up a hill.

You sure you didn't get sold some all seasons labeled as winters?
Really? Are you honestly trying to argue that gaining traction in a FWD is as easy as a AWD car on the same tires? No. I use X-Ice 3 on every car I buy. I have driven the Type-R at the press event and had it for a week.
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Really? Are you honestly trying to argue that gaining traction in a FWD is as easy as a AWD car on the same tires? No. I use X-Ice 3 on every car I buy. I have driven the Type-R at the press event and had it for a week.
Almost the worst winter tires for grip.
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Really? Are you honestly trying to argue that gaining traction in a FWD is as easy as a AWD car on the same tires? No. I use X-Ice 3 on every car I buy. I have driven the Type-R at the press event and had it for a week.
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Almost the worst winter tires for grip.
Care to substantiate that? They win every single deep snow, hydroplaning and ice empirical test that I've seen (Tire Rack, Autobild, Car and Driver and Consumer Reports). Yes, they are squirmy on dry roads in the winter, but that's not what I buy winter tires for.
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Yikes.
You are probably going to need to articulate your point more than that. As I already mentioned, they've won almost every snow, ice and wet braking and lateral grip (non-studded) comparison test. The only tires to edge them out were Nokians.
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The coefficient of static friction between wet asphalt and dry asphalt is nearly identical. The coefficient of kinetic friction is much different, so as long as traction isn't lost in wet conditions, they should both fair about the same as they would in dry conditions, given equal ground temps. The best wet tires are summer tires. I'm not saying slicks, but soft and sticky is best. Just saying. Snow tires are completely different than dry/wet conditions as it comes to tire tread and rubber properties.
Can you link for the coefficients of static friction in wet vs dry on asphalt and concrete? All I am seeing in journals and from manufacturers are calculations in the dry.

As an aside, it's baffling to see all the frothing at the mouth over a demonstrably true comment that it's going to be easier to launch an AWD car, especially when road conditions aren't ideal.
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