SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[TRev]

Originally Posted by des

Just one run. he'd have been a little closer with a few runs in the car, or it were better prepped.

Only one way to find out for sure, Trev. Come to LA and do the January event ... I'm sure we can dig you up a Twin to drive.

I am definitely not a benchmark though I really appreciate the consideration and offer. My project schedule is very intense the first quarter of 2014. A couple of major upgrades to clear my plate for the warm Midwest months.

You guys got plenty of great talent out there to provide some very good data. Looking forward to seeing the January results.

[Rexpelagi]

Originally Posted by Kido1986

While I still think the Z is the car on most national courses, this quoted statement is complete truth.

I'm not sure what will be the car to have next year, although I tend to agree that I can't really see the PAX being reasonable for any CS car.

I think a lot of people are discounting the RX-8, although that will behave more like a Twin than a 370Z. Still, similar weight, better suspension, and wider wheels/tires on the RX-8 are definitely factors that make me think it has a chance. I have both a Twin and an 8 now, so it will be interesting to try out that comparison. I've never driven a 370Z so that is an unknown for me.

[jdrxb9]

Originally Posted by Rexpelagi

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I think a lot of people are discounting the RX-8, although that will behave more like a Twin than a 370Z. Still, similar weight, better suspension, and wider wheels/tires on the RX-8 are definitely factors that make me think it has a chance. ...

and like the 370Z, the RX-8 should benefit from the +/-1" allowance - 255/40 or 245/40 on 17x8 should work well and will shorten up the gearing - good for the torque deficient, but high revving rotary

[Rexpelagi]

Originally Posted by jdrxb9

and like the 370Z, the RX-8 should benefit from the +/-1" allowance - 255/40 or 245/40 on 17x8 should work well and will shorten up the gearing - good for the torque deficient, but high revving rotary

Yep - the 245/40R17 should put 2nd around 64-65mph on a series I, and right around 60 on a series II, which is a pretty good improvement. My RX-8 is a bit down on power, so Mark Andy's may be a better comparison to us. It will be interesting next year, as I know he is looking for 17x8's.

[des]

Originally Posted by jdrxb9

and like the 370Z, the RX-8 should benefit from the +/-1" allowance - 255/40 or 245/40 on 17x8 should work well and will shorten up the gearing - good for the torque deficient, but high revving rotary

Agree -- even on 18s any time I've hopped in a friend's RX8 it was pretty easy to at least match my Scion's time.

But still think the 370z will run away from both.

[SeanRTR]

I agree with Trevor that taking a C-Street car to a match tour at this point is essentially a waste. The new PAX numbers kind of killed my enthusiasm from this year, heading into 2014. I locally run in the PRO index class as well, so this is kind of a bummer.

I'm looking to try a staggered tire setup. Dunlop doesn't pay contingency, and I already have a free Rival that I won from the Wilmington tour, so I'm thinking 2 225/45/17 Rivals, and maybe 2 235/40/17 Dunlops. Anyone tried something stupid like this yet? I'm not even sure which end of the car I'd put each size, but I'm looking to try something different.

Brake pads is something I may be willing to change as well. I have no issues with the Stoptech pads that I've been running, but I'm looking for something that will keep me out of ICE ABS mode, and perhaps be a bit more predictable. Any advice here, or is it all in driving technique? I brake late and hard, and ICE mode has screwed my race results several times this year.

I personally don't think our car can run with a 370Z at a Pro Solo, but I really like the Wilmington site, so I may make the Wilmington Pro, but I'll definitely be at the tour as I prefer that format the most.

Admittedly solo always takes a backseat to road racing, but with the new Pax, it's kind of been thrown in the trunk as my 2014 priorities will be:
1: Road Racing the Neon at Waterford Hills
2. Rallycross in '92 Toyota MR2
3. Solo in FR-S/Solo in The Grape(FSP Neon)
4. Karting

Will not make the Toledo Pro due to rallyx. Peru Match tour is a big maybe, only because I like the local strip club there am I considering it.

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by des

Agree -- even on 18s any time I've hopped in a friend's RX8 it was pretty easy to at least match my Scion's time.

But still think the 370z will run away from both.

I was looking to write a letter to move the 370z, but would it be more effective to try to write letters to move the twins to another more appropriate class?
I think with wheel allowance, E-Street will get faster....fast enough that I don't think the FR-S would be an over-dog with our gearing and the rev limit fuel cut.

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by des

Agree -- even on 18s any time I've hopped in a friend's RX8 it was pretty easy to at least match my Scion's time.

But still think the 370z will run away from both.

I Agree on both statements. Nationally, the 370z will probably be faster. However, locally I think it'd be course dependent. Des, you know how varied our local courses can be

[xwd]

Originally Posted by simpleisbest

I was looking to write a letter to move the 370z, but would it be more effective to try to write letters to move the twins to another more appropriate class?
I think with wheel allowance, E-Street will get faster....fast enough that I don't think the FR-S would be an over-dog with our gearing and the rev limit fuel cut.

They already moved the car to ES once since introducing street and then retracted it. I think it's more plausible after this year the 370Z gets moved instead.

There will definitely be people competing in them in CS so it shouldn't take long to see whether they are overdogs or not.

[NYC BRZ]

Originally Posted by Kido1986

This is my next thing to do. You liking the Motul so far? I'm unsure of what brand to go with.

No issues whatsoever. The trans shifts much smoother than with the stock fill. It helps in the cold. Before the Motul shifting in the cold when the trans wasn't warmed up was a bear.

[NYC BRZ]

With the + or - 1 diameter rule what are everyones thoughts on running a lightweight 16x7 with a 245/45/16 slick? Any advantages over running the 17x7 with 225/45/17 slicks like I'm planning on this year?

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by NYC BRZ

With the + or - 1 diameter rule what are everyones thoughts on running a lightweight 16x7 with a 245/45/16 slick? Any advantages over running the 17x7 with 225/45/17 slicks like I'm planning on this year?

I think wheel allowance only works for Street, Stock on R-Comps can't take advantage of the allowance. To downsize, you would need to be on street tires, if I remember correctly.

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by simpleisbest

I think wheel allowance only works for Street, Stock on R-Comps can't take advantage of the allowance. To downsize, you would need to be on street tires, if I remember correctly.

You're correct.

[torqdork]

Let's assume an FR-S special edition appears next year, nearly a certainty, and it's a TRD equipped like those in many markets with upgraded springs, adjustable shocks, brakes, wheels, tires, 4:30 mechanical diff (?), chassis and firewall bracing, door stiffeners, intake, exhaust, seats and who knows what else. What class would it have the best chance in?

http://www.tune86.com/toyota-86-trd-...-parts-catalog