Tesla Cyber Truck (Most Hideous Truck/Tank Ever)

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I mean they show a side by side with a standard vehicle. The metal is considerably thicker. The Glock is shooting a 9mm round. That Tommy Gun is shooting a .45 cal round. The 9mm is moving faster than the .45, so power is about the same from both, which is why the indent is probably similar (more mass and slower vs less mass and slightly faster...E=1/2mv^2). They didn't bring a rifle to the party for good reason. Still, I'm sure a lot of people would rather have that door between them and a car impacting them.

I'm not a gun dude but there are different types of bullets. For all we know, they might have been shooting soft-tipped ones. Same with the drag race, it looked like an awfully short strip. And it's supremely easy to affect the outcome, especially in a non-controlled environment, and when you don't publish any figures.

There's also the fact that these trucks will probably fare pretty badly from a pedestrian safety stanpoint (one of the reasons it won't be sold in the EU). They may also make crashes worse for other cars. Last thing we need is a ****-waving contest in an unregulated corner of the automotive market. Then again, it was already happening before the Cybertruck, so..

Still, I kind of like this thing. All automakers describe their new products as blank sheet designs. This actually is one.

[ZDan]

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by bcj

Same demographic that bought Hummers to drive to the mall.

Not completely. I've test driven a Hummer EV Pickup. It's a nice vehicle, and could easily replace our Suburban which we use all the time for Suburban size purposes. Sure, to some extent it's a "lifestyle" vehicle for most buyers, but i could put it to work except for the stupid price they are asking (probably required)

Haven't driven the CyberTruck, but from what I can see, I would pay for a top of the line Hummer before I would ever buy a bottom of the line CT.

[bcj]

The OG Hummer with engine in the cab and no pumpkins hanging out the bottom.
Fine for rock crawling and hunting in the wilderness, but like 62mph top speed.
Arnie got his for the publicity rather than utility in downtown Sacto.

H2 and Hwatevers were re-badged Tahoes.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by alex87f

I'm not a gun dude but there are different types of bullets. For all we know, they might have been shooting soft-tipped ones.

I mean the bullets and boxes are on the table in the video, and they do a slowmo of the bullet fragments scattering, and Joe Rogan shot Musk's truck with his 80lb bow too. Unless they switched out the bullets and did some magic with video editing then I have no reason to not believe these results. The crash test footage is pretty impressive too.

The box says FMJ and bullets look consistent with a full metal jacket bullet and not some hollow point or some movie prop bullet, so it looks legit. There is no point in lying because people on YouTube will be shooting these things up.

https://www.outdoorlimited.com/handg...ket-50-rounds/

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by alex87f

Same with the drag race, it looked like an awfully short strip. And it's supremely easy to affect the outcome, especially in a non-controlled environment, and when you don't publish any figures.

If we assume the worst Carrera in the best conditions then they would pair a base 911 C4 (heaviest) with a manual gear box (slowest) with a good driver on a good surface. These will do mid 12's on a prepped track with rollout subtracted.

The track looks legit. The times look legit in the video. The thing is the EV doesn't have shifting, and it makes all the torque instantly down low with its gearing, so it has all the advantage besides its weight. Add in a single axel aluminum trailer that is about 1000lbs (Source) and a 3,400lb Carrera, so say add 4,500lbs to a 6,800lb truck, and the total is 11k-12k pounds.

Interestingly, if we put into a 1/4 mile calculator the weight of a Tesla Plaid and its horsepower we get a low to mid 9 second quarter mile, which is what it does. If we put in the same horsepower and the 6,800lb Cybertruck then we get a high 10 second quarter mile, which it does. If we put in 11,000 pounds, we get something in the 12's, which beats the base Carrera, which is what it does, so everything seems reasonable to me.

The horsepower is less and torque is much more on the Cybertruck than the Plaid because of gearing, but it has a bigger battery at 125kWh'ish, so this seems entirely plausible to me. The quoted 845hp and 10,300tq (wheel torque) seems like numbers that reflect a shift in gearing, but the motors are likely similar to the 1020hp and 1050tq Model S Plaid with different gearing and a bigger battery, so overall, more power potential, so I don't doubt the numbers.

The Rivian has 835hp and 908tq, and Jason says it is 60lbs heavier than the Cybertruck, but the quoted weight difference from the manufactures is 250lbs, so I don't know if he did a real world weight, or if he messed up there. The 250lbs could justify the performance difference along with some differences in torque perhaps, but I feel like the capabilities of the truck is underrated or intentionally limited by the computers. We typically don't see the Plaid putting down the same times in the quarter mile after multiple attempts, as the battery is getting low, so it is possible the new 4680 cells and any extra cooling is doing better, or maybe the extra battery capacity is helping, or maybe they limited the performance in some way. Hard to know.

[wbradley]

Sounds like a d*ck measuring contest to me.

What is a reasonable and safe rate of acceleration for a truck on public roads?

I think my current vehicle does around 7 seconds 0 to 60 and I'm ok with it. If I had gone electric I'd want range but leave the 2.9 s 0-60 times for people that dig that kinda stuff.

I do dig the 60's to early 70's muscle cars but my former ride, 2018 STI could probably beat a 69 GTO with 400 CID V8.. Aside from competition use, who really needs neck breaking acceleration? At what point does it go from responsive to dangerous?
If that's the rush you're after, go to an amusement park.

Get off my lawn you kids!

[Irace86.2.0]

You're describing the entire automotive industry and every manufacturer of a product. Pepsi/Coke, Apple/Samsung, Facebook/Twitter, etc., Bugatti/koenigsegg, Mustang/Camaro, etc. It's all a contest.

But really, why not? Needs it? No one needs it, but people want it. Only rich people should have access to this type of performance?

Porsche Turbo S 0-60 with 2S quarter mile speed with the utility of a truck for less than either. What's not to like about that?

This is probably one of the safest vehicles accelerating at that speed because of its weight.

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

You're describing the entire automotive industry and every manufacturer of a product. Pepsi/Coke, Apple/Samsung, Facebook/Twitter, etc., Bugatti/koenigsegg, Mustang/Camaro, etc. It's all a contest.

But really, why not? Needs it? No one needs it, but people want it. Only rich people should have access to this type of performance?

Porsche Turbo S 0-60 with 2S quarter mile speed with the utility of a truck for less than either. What's not to like about that?

This is probably one of the safest vehicles accelerating at that speed because of its weight.

Until it meets another car..

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by wbradley

What is a reasonable and safe rate of acceleration for a truck on public roads?

I agree it's not needed and frankly is just a parlor trick for most folks. They'll utilize it once in a blue moon, and mostly to impress their friends and neighbors.

It really only has a minimal impact on range though, as long as you don't keep sticking your foot into it, pretty much like an ICE.

Cadillac, for example, has taken a different approach. The LYRIQ AWD has a 0-60 speed of a "glacial" 4.7 seconds because it is tuned to be a luxury car and not a top fuel dragster. It limits torque until the vehicle is moving (I think it's 30MPH) specifically to keep you from bouncing your passenger's heads off the head rest..

There is an option "V mode" that can be downloaded, for a cost, that removes some of that restriction, reducing the the time by more than a half second, and adding a good bit of torque at launch.

[wbradley]

That's funny, the comment regards to preventing the passenger's heads from bouncing off the headrests. Many comfortable luxurious vehicles still have lots of power despite their smoothness. My brother's BMW X3 M which has the Supra 382 HP in line six is initially it's a nice luxurious car, but whenever the driver feels like it they can cause you to fly back in your seat and or bounce your head off the headrest. Even driving with my friend in his Honda CRV this happens, whereas in my car and my driving style that's not going to be an issue. If you care about your passengers, then you want them to feel comfortable, not jostled.
Meanwhile, the Volvo is doing another software update, far more often than regular Android ever did but not an inconvenience.

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I agree it's not needed and frankly is just a parlor trick for most folks. They'll utilize it once in a blue moon, and mostly to impress their friends and neighbors.

It really only has a minimal impact on range though, as long as you don't keep sticking your foot into it, pretty much like an ICE.

Cadillac, for example, has taken a different approach. The LYRIQ AWD has a 0-60 speed of a "glacial" 4.7 seconds because it is tuned to be a luxury car and not a top fuel dragster. It limits torque until the vehicle is moving (I think it's 30MPH) specifically to keep you from bouncing your passenger's heads off the head rest..

There is an option "V mode" that can be downloaded, for a cost, that removes some of that restriction, reducing the the time by more than a half second, and adding a good bit of torque at launch.

I *think* the point of large motors in EVs is also the ability to harvest more energy under braking. And if it's there, you might as well make that power available under acceleration.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

There is an option "V mode" that can be downloaded, for a cost, that removes some of that restriction, reducing the the time by more than a half second, and adding a good bit of torque at launch.

Here comes the vehicular DLC........

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

If we assume the worst Carrera in the best conditions then they would pair a base 911 C4 (heaviest) with a manual gear box (slowest) with a good driver on a good surface. These will do mid 12's on a prepped track with rollout subtracted.

The track looks legit. The times look legit in the video. The thing is the EV doesn't have shifting, and it makes all the torque instantly down low with its gearing, so it has all the advantage besides its weight. Add in a single axel aluminum trailer that is about 1000lbs (Source) and a 3,400lb Carrera, so say add 4,500lbs to a 6,800lb truck, and the total is 11k-12k pounds.

Interestingly, if we put into a 1/4 mile calculator the weight of a Tesla Plaid and its horsepower we get a low to mid 9 second quarter mile, which is what it does. If we put in the same horsepower and the 6,800lb Cybertruck then we get a high 10 second quarter mile, which it does. If we put in 11,000 pounds, we get something in the 12's, which beats the base Carrera, which is what it does, so everything seems reasonable to me.

The horsepower is less and torque is much more on the Cybertruck than the Plaid because of gearing, but it has a bigger battery at 125kWh'ish, so this seems entirely plausible to me. The quoted 845hp and 10,300tq (wheel torque) seems like numbers that reflect a shift in gearing, but the motors are likely similar to the 1020hp and 1050tq Model S Plaid with different gearing and a bigger battery, so overall, more power potential, so I don't doubt the numbers.

The Rivian has 835hp and 908tq, and Jason says it is 60lbs heavier than the Cybertruck, but the quoted weight difference from the manufactures is 250lbs, so I don't know if he did a real world weight, or if he messed up there. The 250lbs could justify the performance difference along with some differences in torque perhaps, but I feel like the capabilities of the truck is underrated or intentionally limited by the computers. We typically don't see the Plaid putting down the same times in the quarter mile after multiple attempts, as the battery is getting low, so it is possible the new 4680 cells and any extra cooling is doing better, or maybe the extra battery capacity is helping, or maybe they limited the performance in some way. Hard to know.

C4 manuals don't exist, but I get your point.

Still, base RWD 992s can post 11.5s quarter mile times . That's within half a second of Tesla's claim for an unladen Cybertruck. That would mean adding 4 500 lbs behind one only reduce quarter mile by under a second? Seems awfully low.

Re the bullet proofing part, it's a cool party trick but couldn't they have made the thing lighter to get more range and reduce cost? Then again I think Musk had understood that party tricks actually move units...