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But if you want to talk about our cars, then I agree. They are slow enough to tolerate manual transmission. But I don't need manual transmission to enjoy my car. It is the engagement of my car with the road that matters to me, not the engagement of my foot with the clutch. If I am buying a car that is sold as a performance sport car, yeah I would like to know its Nurburgring performance. You know, that tells about "engagement" of the "sports" car with the road. I don't need that clutch to engage with my car ... anymore. |
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I basically asked people if they would fork over $25k for a S15... but then the argument went downhill once you looked up sales numbers for the 2nd gen Eclipse base models vs the performance GS-T w/ 4G63 engines. You could take the same argument and look at Z32 sales numbers (NA vs TT), Supra sales numbers, 3000GT sales numbers... The problem always exists: "everyone" wants their own "pure" sports cars, but there simply isn't enough of the public to justify building them. Japan may have had all the cool cars for a long time, but do you know what sells there? K-cars. Cars below 1600cc or 1300cc. Cars that work in streets in Tokyo and Osaka and other places with tiny streets. In the end, everyone has a say but no one is thankful that Toyota had the balls to pull this one off, especially considering how fiscally conservative they are as a global company. -alex |
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This reminds me of when Porsche tried to pull the same crap with their gt3 RS and caught such flack for it they realized they misread the market and created the 911 R. Except the reasoning is even more ridiculous in this case because it's just a 335 hp Supra, not some car that's legitimately going to light up the nurburgring lap time board.
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I find the engagement at knowing when, or when not to shift at any given RPM. NBR=Marketing hype. Maybe my car should be the "Queensland raceway" edition, tested and tuned at QR in 35°C heat, I could get a sticker or decal to show my friends. I'm also not seeing any autos at the pointy end of any 86/BRZ series here. Enjoy your Supra, if Toyota made it I might buy one.
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In theory Nurburgring would be a good measuring stick. In reality it is not due to traffic, weather and traffic. Do I say traffic? It is the sort of track where traffic can completely destroy a time. Weather can also be all over the place. It's a 14 mile track so some parts of the track can be wet while the rest is dry. I'd be willing to put money down that on the same day on a fully dry track, back to back with an empty track and the same driver that a manual Supra would come within 3 secs of an auto version. I sure as hell wouldn't give up on the fun factor of a manual for 3 secs on a 14 mile track. Especially considering it isn't a race car and would spend most of it's like in a daily commute with speed limits and traffic lights. People are way too hung up on specs on paper rather then raw driving entertainment.
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Because there just simply are not enough of us left to make it economically feasible for the car companies. It sucks but it is the reality of the situation. Mind you I remember back in the mid 70s when people were saying the MT would be gone in 5 more years so it has held out longer than expected. There is the option to move to Asia or Europe where the MT is still alive and well I suppose.
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Are these things on the street yet? I could have sworn I saw the BMW version in traffic yesterday? Probably just a Z4 with some plastic bits.
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This may have been discussed already, but, if Toyota did not partner with Subaru to make the 86, do you think the 86 would be better or worse? That is if they decided to make it on their own of course.
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Far worse since it would not exist.
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