Front -3.5 camber needs plates and bolts to avoid End Link rub, correct?

[BrunoS72]

On stock suspension to achieve -3.5 front camber, is it required to split the camber between camber plates and camber bolts to avoid End Link rubbing against the inside of the wheel well?


Thanks in advance for confirming this.


Another way to ask, on stock suspension how much negative camber is possible with Camber Plates without rubbing the End Links?

[Ultramaroon]

I don't know so imma jump in with some popcorn.
I thought the interference was between the wheel and strut.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I don't know so imma jump in with some popcorn.
I thought the interference was between the wheel and strut.

Are you being sarcastic, cause I think you're being sarcastic.

But camber plates move the angle of the strut from the top so the wheel's clearance to the strut shouldn't change.

[BrunoS72]

Originally Posted by BrunoS72

On stock suspension to achieve -3.5 front camber, is it required to split the camber between camber plates and camber bolts to avoid End Link rubbing against the inside of the wheel well?

Thanks in advance for confirming this.

Another way to ask, on stock suspension how much negative camber is possible with Camber Plates without rubbing the End Links?

Let me explain where I am coming from. As I understand camber adjustments on these cars are as follows:



With camber bolts it is possible to set close to -3 degrees of camber by using 14mm camber bolts in the lower 14mm strut hole and 14mm crash bolts in the 16mm upper strut holes. This reduces the distance between the tire and the strut / spring which can lead to tire rubs. Tire width and the wheel offset will determine if rubs will happen.


Camber plates set negative camber by moving the top of the struts towards the center of the car which reduces the clearance between the struts/end links and the wheel well.


The question I am asking is how much negative camber can I set with the camber plates before I rub against the wheel well. I believe it is less than -3.5 so camber bolts are also needed.

[wparsons]

With slotted coilovers (KW v3's etc), the SPC bolts in the lower holes, and the stock lower bolts in the upper holes I maxed out at -3.8*, but dialed it back to -3.2*. No issues with the end link rubbing anywhere.


That said, depending on the wheel size and offset, you'll probably rub the tire on the spring perch with much less camber. On my stock shocks I maxed out at about -2.3* before clearance got too tight. That was with 225/45/17's on 17x8 +45 wheels.


You want to add as much camber as possible at the knuckle for better geometry anyway, so it's beneficial to split between bolts/slotting and camber plates.

[MCTeeJ]

Yeah your question depends on the wheel offset. I never had clearance issues with end links. I have BC BR's and camber bolts and I maxed out at -6. Dialed back to -3.7 and never had any issues. The only rub I got from camber was the tire on the inner fender liner on full lock, and that was before I got the alignment sorted.

[Wyattkb]

Originally Posted by BrunoS72

On stock suspension to achieve -3.5 front camber, is it required to split the camber between camber plates and camber bolts to avoid End Link rubbing against the inside of the wheel well?


Thanks in advance for confirming this.


Another way to ask, on stock suspension how much negative camber is possible with Camber Plates without rubbing the End Links?

Yes.

On stock wheels you need to max camber bolts first, then dial in the rest with the camber plates. Otherwise the strut will hit the wheel well and the end link will rub.

Source: I have this setup. Running -3.5 Front camber

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Are you being sarcastic, cause I think you're being sarcastic.

But camber plates move the angle of the strut from the top so the wheel's clearance to the strut shouldn't change.

Nope. Been down in there with bolts out looking to slot a second pair of stockers. It feels like, in order to keep it so the top mount from twisting when the suspension is loaded at rest, the limiting factor in slotting is between the wheel and spring perch.


I aim to do this purely with stock fasteners.

[BrunoS72]

Originally Posted by Wyattkb

Yes.

On stock wheels you need to max camber bolts first, then dial in the rest with the camber plates. Otherwise the strut will hit the wheel well and the end link will rub.

Source: I have this setup. Running -3.5 Front camber

Thanks for the reply.

Which Camber Plates are you using? Without coilovers I cannot adjust ride height so looking for camber plates that do not increase ride height. Apparently the Velox / FT-86 keep the same height as OEM, don't know if there are other options out there.

[BrunoS72]

Originally Posted by wparsons

With slotted coilovers (KW v3's etc), the SPC bolts in the lower holes, and the stock lower bolts in the upper holes I maxed out at -3.8*, but dialed it back to -3.2*. No issues with the end link rubbing anywhere.


That said, depending on the wheel size and offset, you'll probably rub the tire on the spring perch with much less camber. On my stock shocks I maxed out at about -2.3* before clearance got too tight. That was with 225/45/17's on 17x8 +45 wheels.


You want to add as much camber as possible at the knuckle for better geometry anyway, so it's beneficial to split between bolts/slotting and camber plates.

Thanks. Currently running 245 tires on 9 inch, 35mm offset wheels so I have reduced strut clearance.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by BrunoS72

Thanks. Currently running 245 tires on 9 inch, 35mm offset wheels so I have reduced strut clearance.

You have about 2mm less clearance than I had on stock struts, you should still be able to get to about -2* without camber plates.

[Wyattkb]

Originally Posted by BrunoS72

Thanks for the reply.

Which Camber Plates are you using? Without coilovers I cannot adjust ride height so looking for camber plates that do not increase ride height. Apparently the Velox / FT-86 keep the same height as OEM, don't know if there are other options out there.

I have the RCE camber plates.

[Hella Basa]

mine rubs so I just removed it -.- tein flex z slotted top hole, maxed camber plate.

[solidONE]

It also can depend on your ride height and driving habits. If you never trail brake or apply brakes very sparingly with the wheel turned or have close to stock ride height you can probably get away with more than -3* of front camber without ever having clearance issues with most of your camber from adjustable top plates.

If the opposite is true (lowered and aggressive trail braking into turns often) you'd probably be well served with most of your negative camber added at the knuckles without causing any tire to strut rubbing and the rest from the upper plates. If you're still making contact on the upper endlink you can try looking into some lower profile aftermarket end links and/or putting an indentation in the section of the frame making contact to avoid binding.