Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[riboyster]

The kit works fine without an intercharger. Just gonna put that out there.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by riboyster

The kit works fine without an intercharger. Just gonna put that out there.

It just gets very hot.

[nmastereal]

Originally Posted by riboyster

The kit works fine without an intercharger. Just gonna put that out there.

I understand that. I had the kit in stages. Started with the 210, then bought the upgrade. I think its just worthwhile for us to keep the first post that is pinned updated with statistics because we are reaching the point where these kits have been on cars for a few years and we may see issues.

[stevo585]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

no

Just how bad is the heat soak on these non intercooler? My tuner generally doesnt like them for tuning reasons. I have 93 pump and e85 available. On the 70mm would there be an issue?

[stevo585]

Also anyone managed to get a custom air to air intercooled setup with this? Kits biggest downfall imo. I hear the cooler doesn't work as well as the other PD systems out there.

I have seen this on a mustang before at the track. No sure the brand but def a PD with an air to air cooler.

[ajcarson11]

Originally Posted by stevo585

Just how bad is the heat soak on these non intercooler? My tuner generally doesnt like them for tuning reasons. I have 93 pump and e85 available. On the 70mm would there be an issue?

I don't think i've ever really experienced heat-soak on my non-intercooled. Then again, I'm just daily driving on 93 and only doing pulls every now and then. I live in Indiana where the temperature since purchase has been sub 80 degrees.

I have read almost all of this thread and 72.5mm seems to be the lowest diameter pulley you can run safely on non-intercooled. I am running that now and am happy with it. I wouldn't recommend 70mm. If you are running e85 you may be OK if you live in a cooler climate.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by stevo585

Just how bad is the heat soak on these non intercooler? My tuner generally doesnt like them for tuning reasons. I have 93 pump and e85 available. On the 70mm would there be an issue?

@Rich196's water pump recently had it's fuse go and saw IATs move from 30C to 60C just cruising. Remember we monitor temps post compressor. I would assume that that would be a good indicator of temps, perhaps a little more as there was still water doing some cooling. How much hotter it would get after repeated pulls I don't know. I know I see roughly +15C on a single pull and seems to stabilize at ~+50C over consecutive runs, like track work. This is in addition to what I would expect at cruising which seems to be +15C over ambient.

[riboyster]

Originally Posted by stevo585

Also anyone managed to get a custom air to air intercooled setup with this? Kits biggest downfall imo. I hear the cooler doesn't work as well as the other PD systems out there.

I have seen this on a mustang before at the track. No sure the brand but def a PD with an air to air cooler.

That would be quite the feat considering the design of the kit. Most of us aren't mechanical engineers.

[Rich196]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

@Rich196's water pump recently had it's fuse go and saw IATs move from 30C to 60C just cruising. Remember we monitor temps post compressor. I would assume that that would be a good indicator of temps, perhaps a little more as there was still water doing some cooling. How much hotter it would get after repeated pulls I don't know. I know I see roughly +15C on a single pull and seems to stabilize at ~+50C over consecutive runs, like track work. This is in addition to what I would expect at cruising which seems to be +15C over ambient.

This is true. Cruising at 70mph in around 15C ambient temps, intakes stabilized at 60C, on a few pulls saw nudging 90C. Bare in mine mine did have a water cooler that was failing to pump so the water that was not flowing and there for probably holding heat and making it less dynamic.

[Xero-Limit]

Originally Posted by stevo585

Just how bad is the heat soak on these non intercooler? My tuner generally doesnt like them for tuning reasons. I have 93 pump and e85 available. On the 70mm would there be an issue?

If you have e85 then the cooling matters very little since e85 does not have the same knock issues pump gas does. Street use on 93 and the 69 or 70mm is fine, but running on track or repeated pulls will both work much better on ethanol. We ran ours on track several times on e85, and the only issue we had was the sight glass melting when doing repeated sessions with two drivers and barely taking a break... That and the cooked brakes!

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[riboyster]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

If you have e85 then the cooling matters very little since e85 does not have the same knock issues pump gas does. Street use on 93 and the 69 or 70mm is fine, but running on track or repeated pulls will both work much better on ethanol. We ran ours on track several times on e85, and the only issue we had was the sight glass melting when doing repeated sessions with two drivers and barely taking a break... That and the cooked brakes!

This is with no charge cooler, correct?

[stevo585]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

If you have e85 then the cooling matters very little since e85 does not have the same knock issues pump gas does. Street use on 93 and the 69 or 70mm is fine, but running on track or repeated pulls will both work much better on ethanol. We ran ours on track several times on e85, and the only issue we had was the sight glass melting when doing repeated sessions with two drivers and barely taking a break... That and the cooked brakes!

Noted. Be interesting for you and my tuner (HRI - jamesm) who I'm sure you know, talk about this. He iirc claims you can't tell post cooler temps at all. Making pull to pull very inconsistent. Therefore you have to guess. On the edelbrock, for example, it has a TMAP which he claims is far better. What is your opinion?

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by riboyster

This is with no charge cooler, correct?

You'd be daft to run a 335 without one IMO. They get very hot.

Originally Posted by stevo585

Noted. Be interesting for you and my tuner (HRI - jamesm) who I'm sure you know, talk about this. He iirc claims you can't tell post cooler temps at all. Making pull to pull very inconsistent. Therefore you have to guess. On the edelbrock, for example, it has a TMAP which he claims is far better. What is your opinion?

There are ways to monitor the charge temps, I run a separate IAT sensor in the manifold. It's quite common on the kits here in the UK.

[riboyster]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

You'd be daft to run a 335 without one IMO. They get very hot.

I'd assumed he was talking about a 210. Of course, I would never suggest a 335 without one. Need all the cooling you can get with that thing.