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Old 02-18-2012, 11:11 AM   #113
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First off the 0-60 is a estimate and secondly I don't understand how these guys are "whiners" for hoping for a 22k-23k car(I could understand under 22k now). This car isn't a 26k car unless it's coming with a good amount of amenities standard. The 26k is what I expect a BRZ Premium 6spd Automatic to cost.

They will sell this car for $26k if they can feel like they can get our money for it. They're businessmen, not our friends.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:15 AM   #114
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Is it me or the Subaru sits lower?
If you're referring to the two images of the cars in motion (the blue brz and silver fr-s) - it appears as though the subaru is in a left turn making it look lower on the right side of the car.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:15 AM   #115
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They will sell this car for $26k if they can feel like they can get our money for it. They're businessmen, not our friends.
I understand this. But Subaru has already told certain people their prices will start at 24k-24.5k for the Premium. So there is no way in hell the FRS will be at the same price or more unless it has more features. Nav typically costs 1k-2k and HID's typically run $500-600 as a option.
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:18 PM   #116
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0-60 is closer to the 1/8th than the 1/4.

Right, guess that will teach me to be posting at the end of a long work day!

Either way, I expect the FR-S will be plenty quick!
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:54 PM   #117
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I expect the noise was at WOT and even the MT with a 4.1DR has a reasonably tall 6th gear (for a small displacement sports car):

70 MPH ~ 3000 RPM

It ought to be plenty livable, though if your priority is quiet high speed cruising, a lightweight car like the FT86 isn't the best choice anyway.
I'm sure it'll be better than my NB Miata with softtop. Definitely better than my S13. I'm sure it'll be just a bit louder than a tC.

As for gas mileage, it should be close to a Corolla rolling on 4-speed autos without direct-injections, but not as high as the new Elentra. Anywhere close to 30 on combined is great. :happy0180:

No point, talking about price for a car that isn't out yet. It's all about biting the bullet or not.

I've read that only mechanical difference between FRS and BRZ are springs. But interior material, vents, and center console cup holders seems different, too. Not just seat cover materials and HVAC.

For suspension on the two cars, I'm not sure what shocks and springs they're rolling on. On Miata, stiff shocks (Bilstein) and soft Mazda springs comes as sport package. (similar idea to FRS). Upgrading to twice as stiffer springs with Bilsteins, stiff front sway and soft rear sway is one popular mod for tracks.
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Did you guys even look at the 0-60? 6.0-6.2? That's freakin awesome for 26k!
Hardly. Straight line performance per dollar isn't even close to being this car's strong suit.
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Hardly. Straight line performance per dollar isn't even close to being this car's strong suit.
exactly, you can get a new V6 Mustang that goes 0-60 in 5.9 seconds for 23k.
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exactly, you can get a new V6 Mustang that goes 0-60 in 5.9 seconds for 23k.
Actually it's low 5 seconds with the manual and closer to what you posted with a automatic.
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I'm sure it'll be better than my NB Miata with softtop. Definitely better than my S13. I'm sure it'll be just a bit louder than a tC.
Yeah the FT86 will make for a noisy high speed cruiser, but it ought be quieter than a PRHT NC, never mind our NBs.
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Yeah the FT86 will make for a noisy high speed cruiser, but it ought be quieter than a PRHT NC, never mind our NBs.
I sure hope so, my busy-highway test drive in a PHRT was a noise riot.
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I would predict a $22,999 starting price for the FR-S. It's the same car as the BRZ Premium, without the HIDs and NAV.

It's partially dependant on gearing, but I would expect about 30mpg combined real world, at least for me. I get 27mpg combined from my 2010 GTI, and it's a bit heavier with a higher CoD and larger frontal area.

That said, my normal daily driving habits get me higher city MPG than highway, so your results may vary.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:35 PM   #124
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Never claimed they were so don't put words in my mouth thanks. And your bud's Prius tires are quite a bit different from those on the FR-S - do your own research. Not to mention that the suspension geometry on an FR-S would be quite a bit different than a Prius as well.

Really? Quote from the article...

"Both cars demonstrate remarkable body control and change course so quickly that you’d think they could slalom the lane-marker lines on an interstate at 85 mph. They probably couldn’t: The charitable among us would describe the Michelin Primacy HPs’ grip as underwhelming. Toyota chief engineer Tetsuya Tada tells us, “They are Prius tires,” and he’s not joking—they’re identical to those in the Toyota hybrid’s top trim level (outside the U.S.), right down to the compound and construction. Mark that down as Toyota’s second big donation to the project."

So while im not sure the difference between the US Spec Prius tires that he drove on, and the Euro spec ones, they are indeed Prius tires.
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Really? Quote from the article...

"Both cars demonstrate remarkable body control and change course so quickly that you’d think they could slalom the lane-marker lines on an interstate at 85 mph. They probably couldn’t: The charitable among us would describe the Michelin Primacy HPs’ grip as underwhelming. Toyota chief engineer Tetsuya Tada tells us, “They are Prius tires,” and he’s not joking—they’re identical to those in the Toyota hybrid’s top trim level (outside the U.S.), right down to the compound and construction. Mark that down as Toyota’s second big donation to the project."

So while im not sure the difference between the US Spec Prius tires that he drove on, and the Euro spec ones, they are indeed Prius tires.
Old news, and again, I never claimed otherwise, just that they are quite a bit different from the US Prius norm - obviously not Pilot Sport Cups but neither are they the mushballs found on a standard US Prius.
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