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Old 12-08-2011, 08:21 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Car and Driver review: Scion FR-S Delivers on Its Promise

From C/D - http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

2013 Scion FR-S

The rear-wheel-drive sports coupe delivers on its promise.

December 2011
BY TONY QUIROGA

The U.S.-market sister ship to the Subaru BRZ, the Scion FR-S will go on sale this spring. It is an unusual car for parent company Toyota, or at least the Toyota of late. Before the creation of the FR-S, Akio Toyoda (president of Toyota, and grandson of the company’s founder) asked himself, “Where is the passion in our lineup? I want to build a sports car.”

The Scion FR-S is that sports car. (It also will be sold across the globe as the Toyota GT 86, or simply 86.) Much has been made about the collaboration with Subaru. Toyota claims credit for the car’s existence and the idea itself, which is in direct opposition to what Subaru told us. Fight! Fight! Toyota says that chief engineer Tetsuya Tada’s original concept called for a front-engined sports car with rear-wheel drive. Inspired by the rear-drive Corolla of the ’80s that became the darling of drifters, the new sports car would be light, agile, and affordable. After some internal resistance within Toyota and Subaru, a prototype was built in late 2007 using a Subaru flat-four and rear-wheel drive. The prototype changed minds; by early 2008, a sports-car program was born.

Toyota readily admits that the lion’s share of the development was done by Subaru. However, according to Toyota, plans and objectives came from its engineers and were merely executed by Subaru’s team. (There’s that contradiction again.) For example, the all-new platform and chassis are from Subaru. Toyota made contributions along the way, such as adding its eight-injector direct and port fuel injection to Subaru’s 2.0-liter flat-four. Making the car look pretty fell to Toyota. The greenhouse is an homage to the Toyota 2000GT of the 1960s; the nose hints at the Lexus LFA supercar. Squint a little while eyeing the FR-S, and cars like the Supra and the Celica come to mind, too. Assembly of the FR-S and the BRZ is Subaru’s responsibility. A peek under the Scion’s hood reveals the “Subaru” name atop the intake manifold alongside Toyota’s.

Comparing Apples and Softer Apples

When asked how the two cars differ, the Scion folks tell us that the BRZ is about stability while the FR-S is about agility. The word “understeer” has surfaced in initial reports on the Subaru BRZ. The Scion doesn’t understeer. Its cornering balance is neutral—bravely neutral for a car that will be sold to young buyers. Scion claims that the only changes to its chassis are slightly softer springs and stiffer dampers.

Scion has certainly succeeded in making the FR-S agile. From the quick steering to the alert chassis, the FR-S responds to driver input in a way that reminds us of the Honda S2000. Holding the stability control button for three seconds removes the safety net. Although the chassis is neutral, it will slide should you turn the wheel abruptly or stomp on the gas mid-turn. Lift in the middle of a corner, and the rear end will step right out on you. It doesn’t do so in an “I’m going to ruin your life” sort of way; it seems more to say, “Hey, you sure you know what you’re doing?” In low-speed corners, power oversteer is easy to achieve. The tail swings predictably and delicately. The low weight—we estimate it’s around 2800 pounds—means the FR-S regains its composure without any drama. Akio Toyoda says of the FR-S, “[It] responds to good driving skills.” If you don’t have them, you may want to get some training—or leave the stability control on. Young drivers whom Scion courts should know that the FR-S is nothing like the front-drive, nearly error-proof tC. If you don’t know what you’re doing behind the wheel, the FR-S will make you look dumb.

Compared to modern sports cars, the FR-S’s 215/45-17 tires are skinny. There isn’t a huge amount of grip, but what’s there breaks away gradually. We asked Tada about the tires, and he told us, “They are Prius tires.” You might think he’s joking, but he’s not. The Michelin Primacy HP tires are identical to those in the Prius’s optional Plus Performance package, right down to the compound and construction. Although they don’t provide the stickiness that we’ve come to expect from modern sport machinery, the relative slipperiness gives the FR-S a lively, playful feel. So while it might not have incredibly high limits, its lower threshold is accessible and exploitable. If you want more grip, though, it’s easy to find by swapping for more aggressive footwear.

Flat Engine, Low Center of Gravity

Scion makes it a point to brag about the FR-S’s low center of gravity, and a lot of the car’s liveliness is indeed likely due to the location of much of its mass. The flat-four sits low in the engine compartment, and while Subaru stresses how far back the engine is compared to other Subies, it’s still surprisingly far forward. The transmission, either a six-speed automatic or a six-speed manual, is right behind the engine, preventing it from being mounted farther back. A transaxle would allow for the engine to be placed more to the rear and would help better balance weight distribution, but transaxles cost a lot of money. Especially ones made specifically for one car. The transmissions in the FR-S are Aisin gearboxes that are similar to the six-speed units found in the Lexus IS. The manual shifts with a solid, no-nonsense feel. This is a great gearbox, one that should rally the “Save the Manuals” faithful. Although the manual suits the character of the FR-S better, the optional automatic with paddle shifters is a responsive and quick-shifting ally. On the track, the automatic proved clever enough to perform downshifts before entering a corner.

Subaru’s flat-four engine still gives off a bit of the characteristic boxer thrum at lower rpm. Above 6000 rpm and to the 7400-rpm redline, though, the four begins its chainsaw impersonation. It’s a bit uncouth, but it feels and sounds like a machine with purpose. On paper, and in the face of the ever-escalating pony-car horsepower war, the FR-S’s 200 hp may seem inadequate. It’s not. We’re guessing at a 0-to-60 time just a shade over six seconds. Clearly this isn’t a car that should pull up to stoplights with much ambition. This is a car for playing on back roads, for track work; engaged in those pursuits, the engine feels perfectly strong and nicely matched to the chassis.

Every part in the FR-S works harmoniously. Sure, we might switch to a grippier tire, but the lower-grip rubber allows for accessible explorations of the FR-S’s behavior at the limit. That is just the sort of exploration that makes driving fun. Just remember to bring some skill.
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GJ mess your quick on these FR-S news
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When asked how the two cars differ, the Scion folks tell us that the BRZ is about stability while the FR-S is about agility. The word “understeer” has surfaced in initial reports on the Subaru BRZ. The Scion doesn’t understeer. Its cornering balance is neutral—bravely neutral for a car that will be sold to young buyers. Scion claims that the only changes to its chassis are slightly softer springs and stiffer dampers.
So the FR-S is tuned to handle better than the BRZ. Good to know.
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yey! Prius tires!

note to self: change the stock tires soon
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Thank you Mess Uh oh.... Car and Driver which I usually see as a decent source... say it's 25k for a base price that's even worst then the Automobile Mag's Estimate. Is Scion Trying to Commit Suicide? Hell at 25k sell it as a Toyota!
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Thank you Mess Uh oh.... Car and Driver which I usually see as a decent source... say it's 25k for a base price that's even worst then the Automobile Mag's Estimate. Is Scion Trying to Commit Suicide? Hell at 25k sell it as a Toyota!
Yeah either these magazines are basing their estimate off of the low spec 86, or Scion really is trying to commit suicide.
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Wait a few years and pick up a used frs/brz at that price...
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The price keeps jumping up.

I'm not liking this. Lol
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wait wait wait... So the FR-S price keeps jumping. C&D is saying 25k... isn't that more expensive than the BR-Z Premium and 2k shy of the limited. For all intents and purposes why not get the Subaru?
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Are you unsure of what the FR-S looks like by now?
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I don't know who to believe I think we just have to keep being hopeful everyone. HOPEFUL and OPTIMISTIC!
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I guess if I get the BRZ I'll wait until someone sells their stock fr-s dampers/springs and swap them over..
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