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Old 01-04-2019, 11:02 AM   #29
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Actual return on investment is better with something like a Corvette though. Its just too easy to make 100+ WHP, while with this platform it requires a huge investment to make anything resembling power.
A car is so rarely something with a decent ROI. If you accept and realize that itís most commonly a depreciating asset, and budget responsibly for your mods, rock on however you like. With that said, being financially irresponsible, or building irresponsible is simply irresponsible, and whatever hardships you endure are on you.

Everyoneís financial situation is different. 30K to some is a lot, 30K to others is pocket change. Everyone appreciates their car a different way. I think itís truly a testament to this vehicle that is has such wide ranging appeal to all different demographics and interests, and truly succeeds in all of them.

So a cheers to the twins being so successful in so many different ways. I love this car, and more so than many of the other sports cars Iíve owned over the years.

Now...if the federal government could figure out how to pass a budget and pay me while I work, I can finish up my FI build!
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:09 AM   #30
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you can always just keep it stock......
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:09 AM   #31
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I meant ROI in terms of gain for cost of the modification. Thought that was pretty clear.


Of course a vehicle is a depreciating asset for the most part.

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Old 01-04-2019, 11:22 AM   #32
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The BRZ has nothing on a TJ.


I bet I spent $50k on my TJ over a 10 year period, including tools (some expensive ones such as welders and abrasive equipment). Hell, I did *all of the work* and built my last pair of axles, which still cost me over $10k. That includes steering linkage, brackets, brakes and diffs.


BRZ ain't shit in comparison. But it sure is fun and gets great mileage.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:25 AM   #33
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I don't know what's the point of having this discussion because people are all different, which is reflected very well in all the replies in this thread. Some are happy with stock, some are not. The ones that are not will mod whichever aspect that is not up to their standards. I found the interior to be very poor so I modded it. Now it's a great place to be in every day. I found the exhaust to be quiet and uninspiring so I bought a Corsa and now the thing screams so flooring it is more fun. I found the stock wheels to be ugly and dinky so I have beautiful 18" Enkeis, so now it's great to look at. I can go on and on from external to internal and each one has a justification that is important to ME and no one else. And that's what modding is, it is the individualization of YOUR own car to suit YOUR own needs and standards and no one else's.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:39 AM   #34
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I think this car can really destroy an owner's finances and future!

I don't like to throw on random parts like aftermarket tails, fogs, etc...

...but I am pricing out a proper build with FI and let me just say that with proper coilovers, wheels/tires, brakes, FI kit, tune and labor/install, you are looking at another $30k.

I know people will come in and dispute this most likely, but believe me, I have the spreadsheets with everything priced out and let me just say it's just mental!

Again, if you want a proper build with quality parts and want the car to feel like an entire package, then you're looking at the cost of another complete car!

As an example, I see people throwing turbo kits and using OEM brakes and OEM motor mounts and bushings. The OEM mounts and bushings are bad enough being N/A - can't imagine how bad the driving experience would be with twice the power. OEM bushings and mounts have too much deflection and movement going on just with the car being completely stock.

Either way, love the car!

"Broke-due-to-modding" crew, please check in to this thread!

Are you married? Have you bought a house? How about start a business? How about buy multiple cars and try and build all of them? (I had three cars when I was 19 like an idiot) Because, these things can ruin your finances...







You don't have to buy all the parts at once. My build is 6.5 years in the making. Also, FI is not for everyone. For $30K, I would swap.


I also install ALL my parts myself. Interior, lighting, stereo, suspension, and paint. I also have built custom parts for my own car in my shop.


There are ways to save money without cutting corners on your build. I mean, are you building a show car or building a DD?


Consider buying a few used parts. I have had many great sets of used wheels and tires.


Good luck!
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:40 AM   #35
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FWIW, I made only two mods, costing me ~$1000 DIY to $1500 having a shop do the work, to make a class-winning, overall-drivers-championship winning car in COMSCC time trials.

For sure this is a car where you can spend a LOT of $$$$ for very little benefit, usually not even discernible. If you have the $$$$, no big deal. If you are on a budget, discretion is advised...

If you want to lower the car for looks, lower c.g., better handling, RCE yellow springs.
If you want better damping, used '17+ struts/shocks
If you want more negative camber up front, crash bolts.
If you want a more snarly engine note, muffler delete.
Wider wheels & better tires, lots of 17x8 - 17x9 wheels and 215/225/245 Extreme Perf tires available for reasonable $$$$
Brakes: for street and even for track, with appropriate pads and fluid you are gonna be fine with the stock calipers and rotors. Even with FI. If you must have bigger calipers/rotors, either retrofit PP brakes or sell non-PP car and buy a used PP.
More power/torque: Personally I wouldn't bother spending $1000s on relatively minor improvements to NA power. Of course FI costs more than that, but IMO at least you get something that you will actually *feel* instead of just hear...

TL/DR: If mods are well-chosen, you don't have to spend $30k to get what you want...
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:58 AM   #36
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Just buy an Alpha 4C. Anyone sinking 30k into an 86 IMO is blowing it. The only saving grace is if you can't afford 50k right off, modding the 86 incrementally allows for a more long range, stretched out expenditure. The car will be worth the same as stock though when you go to sell
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To all those saying "instead of modding, buy X car", there are a few considerations:

1. the financial impact of buying an expensive car outright is quite a bit more noticeable than gradually modding a cheaper car.

2. a more expensive car is usually not a great proposition for daily drivers. I drive my car in the winter, through ice and snow

3. Some people don't have money for a second car

4. Some people don't have space for a second car (crammed driveway/live in a condo and only have 1 parking spot and another one costs 50-75K)

5. Some people would still mod that more expensive car and mods for more expensive cars are umm... more expensive.

6. Modding a fairly basic car into something that's a bit more serious is extremely gratifying. Like watching a child grow from something that's babbling and stupid to an intelligent individual.

7. A more expensive car usually drinks more gas and insurance is more expensive, not to mention servicing costs

8. I think it's safe to say that if there was ever a car created with the mod market in mind, it's this one
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:37 PM   #38
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8. I think it's safe to say that if there was ever a car created with the mod market in mind, it's this one

Exactly. What makes the stock version so great is its weight, layout, cg, balance, etc. These attributes are critical to performance at all levels, so this car's starting point can serve as a solid foundation to just about anything someone could dream up - and it does.
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1. the financial impact of buying an expensive car outright is quite a bit more noticeable than gradually modding a cheaper car.
Not really. If you can really afford mods over time, you can finance a more expensive car and afford higher monthly payments over time.

Furthermore, a vehicle that costs $30K to buy and $30K more to build is significantly more financially risky than an unmodded $60K car. If someone hits your highly modified cheap car, it's more likely to be totaled. You're not going to get $60K from the insurance company, and the value of the work you put into it will simply vanish.

A $60K car would be much less likely to be totaled out, since the cost of repairs would total to a smaller percentage of the value of the vehicle. So you're more likely to get your car back whole, lose less money out of pocket and not have to start all over.
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I don't know what's the point of having this discussion because people are all different... I found the exhaust to be quiet and uninspiring so I bought a Corsa and now the thing screams so flooring it is more fun.
I spent ~$8k modifying my '13 FR-S and knew I was going down a slippery slope with future plans for FI, etc. Didn't get much from the insurance company after they totaled out that car, except for the parts I was able to salvage.

After switching to a stock '17 BRZ, I was again enjoying how the engineers setup the car for balance.

I did what you did and slapped on a Corsa exhaust along with other modifications to retain that balance. This time I stayed within my modding budget of 10% of MSRP.
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Meth ruins lives. Modding an economy sports coupe is the least of your worries in life.... in 3.5 years, my audi depreciated almost 2 separate 86s.

BUUUUT the wife needed a comfy hatchback sedan to haul around a 3- and 8-year old with 450HP under her foot. I still rather get into my barely modded FR-S any day of the week. The only thing I like more about the money pit is the flat bottom steering wheel.
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I meant ROI in terms of gain for cost of the modification. Thought that was pretty clear.


Of course a vehicle is a depreciating asset for the most part.

@J1Avs - They'll just back pay you, lol.
Gotcha, my bad on that @Summerwolf !

And I know they will back pay me, but that doesnít mean I have the patience to to wait! Haha
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