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Old 09-27-2019, 09:29 AM   #1
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Exclamation Toyota and Subaru Officially Confirm Second Gen 86! (September 27, 2019)

From Toyota today.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../29916271.html

Toyota and Subaru Agree on New Business and Capital Alliance

Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership.

Ever since concluding an agreement on business collaboration in 2005, partnership between Toyota and Subaru has included contract production by Subaru of Toyota vehicles and supply by Toyota of vehicles to Subaru, as well as joint development of the rear-wheel-drive Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ sports car models.

Also, with vast changes enveloping the automotive industry, which is being called on to respond to the new domains of CASE (connected, autonomous/automated, shared, and electric), Toyota and Subaru disclosed in June this year that they have agreed to jointly develop a platform dedicated to battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and to jointly develop a BEV model, both of which will employ Subaru's AWD technologies and Toyota's vehicle electrification technologies.

In this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation, by strengthening their bonds and aligning their capabilities, Toyota and Subaru aim to pursue driving enjoyment in the CASE era and to make ever-better cars beyond what either company has been able to achieve thus far. Furthermore, to deepen their relationship and to strengthen their ties toward advancing to the next stage while respecting the identity of each other's brand, the two companies have agreed that Toyota will increase its equity stake in Subaru and that Subaru will acquire shares in Toyota.

Details of business activities in the new alliance

1. In pursuit of making ever-better cars beyond that achieved thus far by Toyota and Subaru

1) Bringing together both companies' strengths to jointly develop all-wheel-drive models that offer the ultimate sensation in all-wheel driving
2) Joint development of the next-generation Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ

2. Expansion of the scope of partnership to survive this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation

1) Following the Crosstrek Hybrid*, expanding use of the Toyota Hybrid System in other Subaru models
2) Cooperation in the domain of connected vehicles and technical collaboration in the field of autonomous driving

Commenting on today's agreement, Toyota President Akio Toyoda said: "During this once-in-a-century period of profound transformation, even if CASE changes how cars will be, driving enjoyment will remain an inherent part of automobiles and is something that I think we must continue to strongly preserve. I, myself, am a rallyist, and, through my experience of training hard in an Impreza, I have felt in my veins the wonders of Subaru's AWD technologies. Meanwhile, we at Toyota have been going all out to hone our all-wheel-drive technologies by participating in the World Rally Championship, among other activities. Our companies, both of which have long pursued driving enjoyment, now want to pursue the possibilities of making ever-better cars suitable for the CASE era by bringing together our strengths and by further deepening our relationship."

Subaru President Tomomi Nakamura said: "Between our company and Toyota is an alliance that already has a history of 14 years. During this time, we have deepened our bonds in various fields such as product development, production, and sales, including through personnel exchanges. By taking our relationship one step further and mutually honing our technologies, we will strengthen our ability to respond to CASE and other demands, and will accelerate our shared aspirations for making ever-better cars. This new step in our alliance with Toyota will lead to enhancing 'Enjoyment and Peace of Mind' that Subaru is committed to deliver; and I am confident that our customers will love what we offer through these efforts."
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From Toyota today.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../29916271.html

Seems confirmed.
Hey look at that actual confirmation a next gen BRZ/86 is going to be developed, and with Subaru.

Seems like there's going to be joint AWD cars in the future....perhaps a celica all trak revival isn't outside the realm of possibility?

I also wonder if Subaru and Toyota will eventually merge together?
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Auto motor und sport just spotted a BRZ that sounds like a flat six on the ring...

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/neuheiten/toyota-gt86-subaru-brz-2021-H6


Say whaaaaaat?!!! I will have to get a 2nd gen 86 if they put a flat 6 in it!! Maybe they are just doing a preliminary test to see how the car handles with a 6 cylinder??


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From Toyota today.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../29916271.html

Seems confirmed.
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Hey look at that actual confirmation a next gen BRZ/86 is going to be developed, and with Subaru.

Seems like there's going to be joint AWD cars in the future....perhaps a celica all trak revival isn't outside the realm of possibility?

I also wonder if Subaru and Toyota will eventually merge together?

Doubt they will merge.


LOL so now do people think they will see a concept car in October?
"Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership."
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Doubt they will merge.


LOL so now do people think they will see a concept car in October?
"Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership."
If they don't merge, perhaps Subaru just eventually becomes another subsidiary of Toyota? Like Daihatsu, Hino and Aisin?
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Doubt they will merge.


LOL so now do people think they will see a concept car in October?
"Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership."
Iím working on a project that wonít get publicly announced for 2 years. They didnít agree on this just today. They publicly announced it today.
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Doubt they will merge.


LOL so now do people think they will see a concept car in October?
"Tokyo, Japan, September 27, 2019―Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) and Subaru Corporation (Subaru) agreed today on a new business and capital alliance with the aim of further developing and strengthening their long-term partnership."
Publicly announcing it today means nothing as far as them having been working on it. My current project wonít be announced for 2 years and will SOP a year later.
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Great news! Yes, official word on this is a relief. I am skeptical of a Japan debut of a concept car, however, what better way to cement the new relationship than by showing off concepts for future joint projects?
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Yes they have been working on it a while. The term they used was "agreed" today. There would of course have been background work going on while they were hashing out their deal but development of a new gen would not have gone very far until that deal was in place. I am not saying they weren't on it simply that the probability of seeing a concept in October is remote. Especially one built on a Toyota platform as the clickbaits were claiming their "insider" told them.
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If we see any concepts in October it is more likely to be their AWD BEV.
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Scion back from the dead as Subaru.

I'm getting flashbacks from 10 years ago. It felt just like this when the first ft-86 concept was announced around this time. I feel young again.
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Woohoo! I missed all the AWD twin turbo 3.0l flat-6 convertible w/ optional V12 upgrade speculation. Now the cycle can start all over.

My tinfoil hat was getting dusty.
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Toyota also upped their stake in Subaru to 20% today.



Color me a little jaded. My car did not get through the recall terribly well. 6 months in the dealership and a complete replacement of everything under the hood except the transmission.
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