2021 Toyota Mirai

[Sasquachulator]

I don't think anyone saw this coming:

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/10/...irai-revealed/

To sum it up, it went from frumpy overweight weird prius-like oddball, to Toyota Crown RWD sedan clone.

More RWD Toyotas in the works? Lets start that rumor!

[Yoshoobaroo]

By 2025, the plan is to offer an electrified option on every vehicle in its global lineup -

Does that include the 2nd gen 86?

[p1l0t]

An actual fuel cell deal.. interesting. Apparently electric cars are so much simpler to build that the amount and variety of new cars that are about to flood the market is crazy.

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[Atmo]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

An actual fuel cell deal.. interesting. Apparently electric cars are so much simpler to build that the amount and variety of new cars that are about to flood the market is crazy.

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Building is one thing, distributing, selling and servicing through a dealer network another, as Dyson realized.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/10/...car-ev-project

No question that a fundamental shift is taking place in the electrification of people and cargo transportation with Toyota leading the way in hybrid sales increase this year that have exceeded plan. Nationwide there's only a 3-days supply of RAV4 hybrid vs 60-120 DS for ICE cars (200+ DS of 86's) with typically no incentives to push RAV4 hybrids.

Next electrified Toyota up will be a unicorn, the plug-in hybrid RAV4. The production vehicle will be revealed at the LA Auto show. If it has a 10kWh+ battery it'll qualify for $10K Fed/State tax credits in my state plus free reserved parking and charging in lots of places like major metros and airports.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2021-ra...les-auto-show/

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Building is one thing, distributing, selling and servicing through a dealer network another, as Dyson realized.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/10/...car-ev-project

No question that a fundamental shift is taking place in the electrification of people and cargo transportation with Toyota leading the way in hybrid sales increase this year that have exceeded plan. Nationwide there's only a 3-days supply of RAV4 hybrid vs 60-120 DS for ICE cars (200+ DS of 86's) with typically no incentives to push RAV4 hybrids.

Next electrified Toyota up will be a unicorn, the plug-in hybrid RAV4. The production vehicle will be revealed at the LA Auto show. If it has a 10kWh+ battery it'll qualify for $10K Fed/State tax credits in my state plus free reserved parking and charging in lots of places like major metros and airports.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2021-ra...les-auto-show/

Another contributing to factor to Dyson backing out was the amount of other upstarts as well.

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[Atmo]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Another contributing to factor to Dyson backing out was the amount of other upstarts as well.

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I think the automotive industry is going through a Bitcoin type bubble with upstarts trying to attract capital before the Founders then literally pull the plug and drive off in their Bentleys.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Building is one thing, distributing, selling and servicing through a dealer network another, as Dyson realized.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/10/...car-ev-project

No question that a fundamental shift is taking place in the electrification of people and cargo transportation with Toyota leading the way in hybrid sales increase this year that have exceeded plan. Nationwide there's only a 3-days supply of RAV4 hybrid vs 60-120 DS for ICE cars (200+ DS of 86's) with typically no incentives to push RAV4 hybrids.

Next electrified Toyota up will be a unicorn, the plug-in hybrid RAV4. The production vehicle will be revealed at the LA Auto show. If it has a 10kWh+ battery it'll qualify for $10K Fed/State tax credits in my state plus free reserved parking and charging in lots of places like major metros and airports.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2021-ra...les-auto-show/

Toyota has also said they wanted to change the perception surrounding hybrids. They have seen the success Tesla has had with marketing Tesla models as amazing performing vehicles, and they realized there is a better market with selling hybrids as performance cars than marketing them as eco cars to conscious minded customers. In that regard, the Rav4 hybrid was marketed as their most powerful and fastest accelerating car.

Tesla has proven that the electric platform is a better platform, and that realization by the market will drive manufactures to adopt electric and hybrid platforms.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Toyota has also said they wanted to change the perception surrounding hybrids. They have seen the success Tesla has had with marketing Tesla models as amazing performing vehicles, and they realized there is a better market with selling hybrids as performance cars than marketing them as eco cars to conscious minded customers. In that regard, the Rav4 hybrid was marketed as their most powerful and fastest accelerating car.



Tesla has proven that the electric platform is a better platform, and that realization by the market will drive manufactures to adopt electric and hybrid platforms.

It is a better, simpler, and yet more advanced technology. The only downside are the heavy damn batteries that are completely used up the second you utilize the full performance of the electric motors...

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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

It is a better, simpler, and yet more advanced technology. The only downside are the heavy damn batteries that are completely used up the second you utilize the full performance of the electric motors...

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The Bugatti will chew through a full tank of gas in 12 minutes or less at top speed. Racecars fuel often too. I’m sure in time the battery capacity will improve.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Toyota has also said they wanted to change the perception surrounding hybrids. They have seen the success Tesla has had with marketing Tesla models as amazing performing vehicles, and they realized there is a better market with selling hybrids as performance cars than marketing them as eco cars to conscious minded customers. In that regard, the Rav4 hybrid was marketed as their most powerful and fastest accelerating car.

Tesla has proven that the electric platform is a better platform, and that realization by the market will drive manufactures to adopt electric and hybrid platforms.

Toyota's pushing the idea that RAV4 HEV is quicker than the ICE version and upped the ante saying the PHEV will be quickest of all...RAV's, anyway.

That made me hopeful that they'll be tuning their future THS systems toward sport until learning that the next hybrid reveal after RAV4 PHEV will be Sienna.

Originally Posted by p1l0t

It is a better, simpler, and yet more advanced technology. The only downside are the heavy damn batteries that are completely used up the second you utilize the full performance of the electric motors...

It's disappointing that Toyota isn't rolling out more lightweight lithium battery HEV's, instead sticking with the heavier, cheaper, nickel batteries.

At least they're packaging the new batteries in better locations. The new Camry and RAV have their batteries under the rear seat vs. the prior generation in the trunk or under the load floor making for a better CG mentioned by most testers.

All this said, Akio Toyoda has said that fuel cell vehicles are the long term future. Of course long term to him means within the next 50 years.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Does that include the 2nd gen 86?

most likely. I am sure they saw the car from mississippi state. Under 3000 pounds, plug in hybrid, faster than the current vehicle. How can you beat that? Only thing not to like is the engine in their car only powers the battery.

[Lantanafrs2]

Lot less moving parts

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by why?

most likely. I am sure they saw the car from mississippi state. Under 3000 pounds, plug in hybrid, faster than the current vehicle. How can you beat that? Only thing not to like is the engine in their car only powers the battery.

That thing is sick!

[Lantanafrs2]

2 stroke emissions might be an issue with that car. They didn't give much info on that end