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Old 08-17-2019, 12:54 PM   #71
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First off I wouldn't trust the gas mileage thing on the dash mine has always seemed off about 2 mpg on the optimistic side. Stock I got around 30, once I switched to Pilot Super Sports it dropped down to 27, and now with the Edelbrock kit its around 22-24. I get about 240 miles on a tank of gas give or take these days. My C5Z could hit 28-30 pretty easily and the C6Z was 25-28. Granted if you drove them hard they all get terrible gas mileage. But the Corvettes cruises at 1400 RPM at like 80mph vs like 2.5x that in these cars. The C6 had a large trunk and with great gas mileage it was a great road trip vacation car. The thing I hated the most was the sketchy handling. While it handled great it was just never predictable. You could never really trust it and always had that impending sense of doom feeling going on.

Personally kinds of disappointed the C8 has no manual. I was originally pretty hyped that this was going to be a modern Pantera and get me back into Vettes, but for me no manual = doesn't buy.
sooo......

I had the chance yesterday to drive a good bit of highway, and you're right the dash MPG does tend to exaggerate MPG by about 2 on the optimistic side.

I fill up the tank and drive and then refill and divide miles/gallons.

On first stint, I was driving like a granny at around 70 MPH crossing 100 miles, and got 34.7, the odometer was being optimistic at 36.9!

second stint I was driving regularly crossing 200 miles (80 MPH often short stints of WOT for fun hitting speeds best not mentioned then costing down) and I got 29.1 MPG. I really doubt anyone drives normally like I do so I would expect the read MPG of a BRZ to be around 33 to 34 MPG instead of the suggested 29.

BRZ is really fuel efficient to be honest. I think it's because it makes good on drag (unlike SUVs) I don't know.
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I mean Corvette has always been an unbelievable bargain. ....
I believe part of that is the R&D that goes into the Corvette makes it's way into a much larger portion of GM's product line, offsetting the cost. The Camaro, Cadillacs (V series anyone) at minimum benefit from the experience. I'm sure cars further down the line do as well.

Ferrari has create tech, but they sold less that 10,000 cars across all models in 2018. Chevy sells 3 times that many Corvettes alone, then look at the Caddy and Camaro sells. Pretty easy to be cheaper.

Going mid-engine added marginal cost to the production run of the car.
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I'm really curious what's going to be the longer-term effect of Corvette C8 on the used car market, especially when the first used C8s start to go on sale.
There's a bunch of nice cars in the $4080k price range, which includes Porsches, Lotuses, and even some Gallardos.
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BRZ is really fuel efficient to be honest. I think it's because it makes good on drag (unlike SUVs) I don't know.
Strongly disagree that it's "really fuel efficient".

My best MPG in my manual BRZ was something like 32 MPG on cruise control on a multi-hour flat straight highway trip. For comparison, my '16 Mazda 6 (which is a much bigger and heavier car, and comparable power output) easily makes 40 MPG under same conditions.
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Strongly disagree that it's "really fuel efficient".

My best MPG in my manual BRZ was something like 32 MPG on cruise control on a multi-hour flat straight highway trip. For comparison, my '16 Mazda 6 (which is a much bigger and heavier car, and comparable power output) easily makes 40 MPG under same conditions.
Yeah I probably exaggerated "the really fuel efficient" part

What I was trying to say is that this 29 MPG quote is not what I'm getting in real life.

Compare this to the 2016 Mazda CX-5 AWD that I have that's claimed for 30 MPG highway and that is an accurate depiction of what I'm getting with that car.


It's nice to know the Mazda 6 can pull 40 MPG never knew that. I thought that was exclusive Honda territory.
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I'm really curious what's going to be the longer-term effect of Corvette C8 on the used car market, especially when the first used C8s start to go on sale.
There's a bunch of nice cars in the $4080k price range, which includes Porsches, Lotuses, and even some Gallardos.
This is a bit of a sarcastic video but he actually makes really good points towards answering your curiosity


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Pricing announced for the C8. 1LT is $59,995, 2LT $67,295, 3LT $71,945

https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-v...885884#pricing
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Strongly disagree that it's "really fuel efficient".

My best MPG in my manual BRZ was something like 32 MPG on cruise control on a multi-hour flat straight highway trip. For comparison, my '16 Mazda 6 (which is a much bigger and heavier car, and comparable power output) easily makes 40 MPG under same conditions.
In my book, Mazda is the IC mileage queen at the moment. My son just traded his 3 in. It routinely got into the mid forties on the highway. They have the Atkinson cycle stuff pretty well figured out. True it didn't accelerate like my wife's V6 Camry, but it was really stingy on fuel.
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Ferrari has create tech, but they sold less that 10,000 cars across all models in 2018. Chevy sells 3 times that many Corvettes alone, then look at the Caddy and Camaro sells. Pretty easy to be cheaper.

Ferrari artificially limits production to 10,000 to bypass the most stringent CAFE requirements in their biggest market, the U.S., in effect for now.
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Ferrari artificially limits production to 10,000 to bypass the most stringent CAFE requirements in their biggest market, the U.S., in effect for now.
Understood, but that means they have less volume to spread R&D over with a new model.
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Strongly disagree that it's "really fuel efficient".

My best MPG in my manual BRZ was something like 32 MPG on cruise control on a multi-hour flat straight highway trip. For comparison, my '16 Mazda 6 (which is a much bigger and heavier car, and comparable power output) easily makes 40 MPG under same conditions.
Not sure how you got 40 out of the Mazda but a larger sample shows the Twins as better overall on average.
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Understood, but that means they have less volume to spread R&D over with a new model.

Going public should help R&D absorption.



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Not sure how you got 40 out of the Mazda but a larger sample shows the Twins as better overall on average.
Just comparing two road trips I took, one in each.

Those graph don't seem to filter out older model years?

Also, median MPG of 28 for BRZ sounds unrealistic. Although perhaps this includes BRZs with automatic gearboxes? My BRZ has a manual gearbox.
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Going public should help R&D absorption.

Wish I'd bought RACE @$50/share three years ago, it's over $150 now.
Not sure how going public impacts the cost of R&D/Unit, unless you are saying they will produce more vehicles at that time.
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