Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Personally I've always *loved* to see other 240Zs, FCs, S2000s, FDs, and now, FT86s on the road. Always a pleasure to see beautiful cars, the more of them and the fewer trucks/SUVs the better as far as I'm concerned!

^^^Yes!

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Wise

I can't believe people still think that as well.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I can't believe people still think that as well.

Your inability to understand the concepts of failure mechanics and the statistics that go hand in hand with predicting the rate of failure does not render them irrelevant.

Let me know when you've built a 300hp 86 competitor at a rate of 10,000 units per year with a 5 year 60k power train warranty AND you didn't lose your shirt on warranty repairs for the cars that failed under the warranty term.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Personally I've always *loved* to see other 240Zs, FCs, S2000s, FDs, and now, FT86s on the road. Always a pleasure to see beautiful cars, the more of them and the fewer trucks/SUVs the better as far as I'm concerned!

We need as many people possible driving these sorts of cars or else the death of the MT will come very soon if it isn't already too late.

[SuperTom]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Personally I've always *loved* to see other 240Zs, FCs, S2000s, FDs, and now, FT86s on the road. Always a pleasure to see beautiful cars, the more of them and the fewer trucks/SUVs the better as far as I'm concerned!

Besides the RX7's those are all $30k cars and are more obtainable hence you will see more of them on the road. Ill stick to my point if I have a halo car then I'd want it to be more rare.


The one thing we can agree on is yes Id love to see more sports cars on the road than giant SUV's with one person in them hogging the road.

[WolfpackS2k]

Haha, okay buddy. I'm sure the 86 stands alone as the exception to the rule. It's so special, unlike just about any other sports car in this regard. Yup.

And nothing I've said displays an inability to understand mechanical and physical properties, laws, tolerances, factors of safety, etc.

[rvoll]

If you look at sports cars that have a base model and higher levels, like Porsche and Corvette, you'll see the base model is configured as the best daily driver with very few compromises. As you move up the ladder, you get performance upgrades which makes the car faster, but not a better daily driver. The very high end cars are basically track machines. From everything I've read, the base 6 cylinder Supra will come with an automatic transmission and be the base daily driver. There may also be some high end track oriented variants as well selling for over $100k. From a marketing perspective, having a low cost, 4 cyl, stripped down version will hurt the Supra brand in terms of being able to charge a premium for a low volume car. That doesn't mean that from a manufacturing perspective there may be another sports car produced on the Supra line that has a 4 cyl and a manual transmission. In order for there to be a base model 4 cyl Supra brand, the car still has to be able to produce as good as a daily driving experience, in terms of comfort and handling, and thus the price of that car will not be significantly less than the 6 cyl version. Otherwise, advertising will be very difficult from a brand perspective because you don't have a common driving experience. That said, this is a complex decision based upon the specific products, pricing, concept/product fit, and consumer testing. Without seeing the final products and pricing, there is no way for any of us to determine how this will enter the market.

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Haha, okay buddy. I'm sure the 86 stands alone as the exception to the rule. It's so special, unlike just about any other sports car in this regard. Yup.

And nothing I've said displays an inability to understand mechanical and physical properties, laws, tolerances, factors of safety, etc.

I'm glad you understand all of these physical and corporate factors. That means you understand how crash tests work and the torsional rigidity factors that affect increased hp. If you go to any decent custom car builder, they will tell you that in order to significantly increase the hp, they also have to strengthen the frame, the mounts, the transmission/clutch, the differential and the brakes.

You can certainly blow your own engine, replace your clutch, replace your mounts, as you've already voided your warranty and it is your money. But reputable companies cannot do this. And yes, what you've said does display an inability to understand mechanical and physical properties, laws, tolerances, factors of safety, etc., because they all apply to the 86.

[WolfpackS2k]

Hah!

Thank you for regurgitating the same lame talking points that have been used on this very forum for over 5 years. A for effort.

Your day job wouldn't happen to be the actor playing Captain Obvious for Hotels.com?

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Hah!

Thank you for regurgitating the same lame talking points that have been used on this very forum for over 5 years. E for effort.

Your day job wouldn't happen to be the actor playing Captain Obvious for Hotels.com?

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[rvoll]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Hah!

Thank you for regurgitating the same lame talking points that have been used on this very forum for over 5 years. A for effort.

Your day job wouldn't happen to be the actor playing Captain Obvious for Hotels.com?

I'm retired and loving it. You were the role model for Three Blind Mice?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

And nothing I've said displays an inability to understand mechanical and physical properties, laws, tolerances, factors of safety, etc.

It is literally my job to perform these kinds of analyses. You don't understand, that much is painfully obvious.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by ermax

We need as many people possible driving these sorts of cars or else the death of the MT will come very soon if it isn't already too late.

I just read somewhere in the last week that only 2% of cars sold in NA have manual transmissions. Most people do not want them. You get better gas mileage and performance from the new automatics and dual clutch cars. It just does not make sense for the auto makers to continue to manufacture cars with manual from an economic stand point.

Even most modern race cars no longer have a third pedal. I was a diehard manual driver for 50 years and taught all 4 of my kids to drive a standard shift but even I have to accept that the manual is a dinosaur and will soon become extinct.

2010 - 6.7% of cars sold in US with manual
2017 - 3% of cars sold in US with manual
2018 - first half of model year only 2% of cars sold in US with manual.

Soon, in order to get manual shift you will have to buy used.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by HKz

In short, when it comes to cars it is pretty awesome to live in any part of NA lol

Actually I'm not so sure about that, when NA tends to get either watered down variants or missing trims and components to cut cost as we're supposedly a continent of poor cheap arses.