Any predictions on how Subaru will differ from Toyota/Scion

[tranzformer]

I looked at the limited number of threads here in the Subaru sub-forum. Haven't seen any thread dedicated to this topic. So I'm curious to hear what you guys think the difference will be?

My predictions for Subaru:
- very subtle difference in body work but still very similar to Toyota/Scion design
- maybe different headlights/taillights
- possible use of fog lights
- same 2L boxer-4 as Toyota, but maybe the Subaru will have a slight bump in hp/tq compared to the Scion with ECU/freer flowing exhaust? (not more than 5-10hp difference?)
- no turbo
- no awd
- slightly upgraded interior
- upgraded brakes stock
- a bit stiffer suspension (maybe a higher trim/package)
- slightly heavier than the Toyota/Scion (nothing major but maybe 30-50kg)


That is it for now. Some of these could be way off.

[dilly-o]

that all seems reasonable, but i would speculate the weight would be closer to the toyo version. where would that come from, the bigger brakes?

i agree that the subaru version will be n/a. maybe a turbo version comes out in a year or two i hope (for both toyo and subie).

[dilly-o]

a few other tidbits from nasioc forum re: name and specs

well that [2000 RS] was a consideration at one time and only a few people knew that... but no, that isn't the name.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=638

There is no turbo in the plan for launch. It's not that kind of car.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=640

assuming you find the source credible (which i do), no turbo at launch for sure, but maybe (not necessarily) a turbo later on. in fairness, the FB engine family is all new (in the 2011 forester), then the direct injection on the FB will be all new next year for the toyobaru. at some point subaru needs to turbocharge the FB for WRX/STi variants, but i guess they are working on one thing at a time.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by dilly-o

that all seems reasonable, but i would speculate the weight would be closer to the toyo version. where would that come from, the bigger brakes?

i agree that the subaru version will be n/a. maybe a turbo version comes out in a year or two i hope (for both toyo and subie).

Maybe 30-50kg is a bit too much for the weight increase. I was thinking brakes, interior, sunroof (probably not standard) would add some weight. So maybe cut that estimate in 1/2 then.

Thanks for the links to nasioc. Seems like some decent info over there. Not sure if it is legit, but it sounds like it could be. Yeah I don't see a turbo version until maybe 2-3 years into the model possibly (depending how successful it is). I would actually just prefer if they kept it a NA platform and leave the turbo for the WRX and STI.

Ichi (and everyone else), I look forward to hearing what your predictions might be.

[dilly-o]

skepticism is a healthy thing. i am a longtime lurker/occasional poster over there and SOA Blog carries a lot of weight as a legitimate employee/spokesperson for SOA. Since these spy shots came out, they have been a bit more candid about the car (see my above post), but they are also obligated to not spill too many beans, lest they get fired, lol. Mostly they are around to answer any questions and clear up any misconceptions I reckon.

FWIW, SOA blog has made it clear that there is no AWD version. That is one of those misconceptions that never seems to die. Most people here have caught on, but not everyone

[Matador]

Headlights, tails, interior, bumpers. I don't see any discernible weight and much less so, power, difference.

Upgraded brakes? ROFL, gtfo... no. Any "differences" of that kind will cost you more, and will probably be available in the Toyota/scion version too.

[Matador]

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I looked at the limited number of threads here in the Subaru sub-forum. Haven't seen any thread dedicated to this topic. So I'm curious to hear what you guys think the difference will be?

My predictions for Subaru:
- very subtle difference in body work but still very similar to Toyota/Scion design
- maybe different headlights/taillights
- possible use of fog lights
- same 2L boxer-4 as Toyota, but maybe the Subaru will have a slight bump in hp/tq compared to the Scion with ECU/freer flowing exhaust? (not more than 5-10hp difference?)
- no turbo
- no awd
- slightly upgraded interior
- upgraded brakes stock
- a bit stiffer suspension (maybe a higher trim/package)
- slightly heavier than the Toyota/Scion (nothing major but maybe 30-50kg)


That is it for now. Some of these could be way off.

My prediction is pretty close to yours.
Base model
- same chassis design expect bumpers, mirrors, lights, front fenders & all other cosmetic stuff
- Engine will have lower hp (regular FB20)
- No turbo
- No AWD
- brakes will be Subaru's 2/1 pot brake calipers they using on 2.5i
- prob be softer suspension setup
- Interior will be same as FR-S
- weight will be same as base model FR-S (maybe +-10lbs)
- Price tag will be +-$1k w base FR-S

RS model
- upgrade front lip & spoiler
- Engine will be same FR-S D4-S
- No Turbo
- No AWD
- Brake will be upgraded to Subaru 4/2 pot calipers (not Brembos)
- Bit stiffer suspension (spring upgrade)
- Interior will have lil here & there sports option stuff (like sports short shift knob & etc)
- Weight will be +5~30lbs
- Price tag will be +$3k from base

Next gen will have 2 extra vers
GT model
- upgrade front lip & spoiler (bit different from RS model)
- Engine will be same FR-S D4-S w Turbo
- No AWD
- Brake will be upgraded to Subaru 4/2 pot calipers (not Brembos)
- Bit stiffer suspension (spring & suspension upgrade)
- Interior will have all sports package
- Weight will be +55~80lbs
- Price tag will be +$8k from base

STI model
- TBA

[dilly-o]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Base model
- Engine will have lower hp (regular FB20)

i dont think we will see that 148 hp engine in this car in any trim level. i think everything will be the same in terms of weight, suspension, output, performance. there could be some trim level differences. maybe subaru will have a "limited" trim level with leather, heated heats, etc.

the differentiating factors usually discussed are front/rear fascia and head/taillights. wouldnt expect to see a fake hood scoop on this n/a car.

interior changes could go either way. maybe just some brushed aluminum, or some different fabric on the seats.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by dilly-o

i dont think we will see that 148 hp engine in this car in any trim level. i think everything will be the same in terms of weight, suspension, output, performance. there could be some trim level differences. maybe subaru will have a "limited" trim level with leather, heated heats, etc.

the differentiating factors usually discussed are front/rear fascia and head/taillights. wouldnt expect to see a fake hood scoop on this n/a car.

interior changes could go either way. maybe just some brushed aluminum, or some different fabric on the seats.

Are you sure bout that? Subaru have been changing a lot of thing. ex: Impreza is now separated from WRX & STI. Drop hp on Impreza for better eco. Bring new H4 engine (FB). Bring out 1.6L turbo ver and might come back to WRC world. Also there are few rumor bout they're planning to make hybrid car.

Subaru official really haven't said anything bout their ver... so technically they can use FB20/25. It's not like they need to change anything much.

Again, I'm just stating as possibility and IF I was them, I would do it this way... unless Toyota put a stop saying "No, you can't put stock FB20/25 engine".

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

My prediction is pretty close to yours.
Base model
- same chassis design expect bumpers, mirrors, lights, front fenders & all other cosmetic stuff
- Engine will have lower hp (regular FB20)
- No turbo
- No AWD
- brakes will be Subaru's 2/1 pot brake calipers they using on 2.5i
- prob be softer suspension setup
- Interior will be same as FR-S
- weight will be same as base model FR-S (maybe +-10lbs)
- Price tag will be +-$1k w base FR-S

RS model
- upgrade front lip & spoiler
- Engine will be same FR-S D4-S
- No Turbo
- No AWD
- Brake will be upgraded to Subaru 4/2 pot calipers (not Brembos)
- Bit stiffer suspension (spring upgrade)
- Interior will have lil here & there sports option stuff (like sports short shift knob & etc)
- Weight will be +5~30lbs
- Price tag will be +$3k from base

Next gen will have 2 extra vers
GT model
- upgrade front lip & spoiler (bit different from RS model)
- Engine will be same FR-S D4-S w Turbo
- No AWD
- Brake will be upgraded to Subaru 4/2 pot calipers (not Brembos)
- Bit stiffer suspension (spring & suspension upgrade)
- Interior will have all sports package
- Weight will be +55~80lbs
- Price tag will be +$8k from base

STI model
- TBA

Who told you this...

[ichitaka05]

LOL just my speculation. No actual info sorry

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

LOL just my speculation. No actual info sorry

Uh huh! I'm calling your bluff and raising you 10 chips!

An STI varient would be sweet!

[dilly-o]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Subaru official really haven't said anything bout their ver... so technically they can use FB20/25. It's not like they need to change anything much.

yea, i agree with you that the could put any FB engine in there with or without direct injection. it just seems like they have made direct injection such a big part of the toyobaru's PR, how could they release a normal fuel injected version? plus, it would look bad for subaru to offer a base engine below Scion. Below Scion! think about that.

in theory at least, direct injection FB20 should have similar fuel economy as compared to a 'normal' FB20. so if CAFE/EPA was the motivation to offer a lesser engine, that does not compute. right?

so there's two reasons not to offer the 148HP engine: no fuel economy motive, and no motive to position your brand below freaking scion.