Too capable for public roads

[ermax]

Huh, I do this on all cars I drive. Hahaha

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by JR

For the people that upgraded to better tires, do you miss the tail happiness?

Not me. I have 18x9.5 RPF1s wrapped in Pilot Super Sports. I can still kick the back end out when I want to. The difference is that it happens when I want it to, not when the low rolling resistance stock tires wanted it to.

[Stang70Fastback]

Originally Posted by JR

With that being said, the twins are known for their playful nature at lower speeds due to the stock tires and suspension setup. For the people that upgraded to better tires, do you miss the tail happiness?

This worried me when I went from the stock tires to 255 section Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but the end result was far from what I had feared. Some people (those "THE CAR IS WAY TOO UNDERPOWERED" folks) had insisted that my car would just be STUCK to the pavement, and that it would be impossible to have fun. The reality is that the car still gets sideways if you flog it, but now also allows you to follow an 18-wheeler around an entrance ramp without looking like you're practicing for your next Gymkhana event. In stock form, the playful nature of the car was fun, but it eventually got annoying to not be able to keep up with other cars in everyday scenarios without sliding all over the place, or for the rear end to just randomly kick out under 1/4 throttle when turning left at an intersection if the pavement had even a drop of oil on it. I'm a grip guy, so I like a car that will peel your face off in a corner.

Also you still get plenty of that rear-end movement accelerating out of turns, or driving quickly over undulating pavement, where the rear end moves around a little bit under power, with some side-slip and whatnot, so all of that playfulness still comes through, but the car actually sticks to the road rather than sliding the ass end out everywhere, lol.

[JR]

Originally Posted by ermax

Huh, I do this on all cars I drive. Hahaha

[JR]

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback

This worried me when I went from the stock tires to 255 section Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but the end result was far from what I had feared. Some people (those "THE CAR IS WAY TOO UNDERPOWERED" folks) had insisted that my car would just be STUCK to the pavement, and that it would be impossible to have fun. The reality is that the car still gets sideways if you flog it, but now also allows you to follow an 18-wheeler around an entrance ramp without looking like you're practicing for your next Gymkhana event. In stock form, the playful nature of the car was fun, but it eventually got annoying to not be able to keep up with other cars in everyday scenarios without sliding all over the place, or for the rear end to just randomly kick out under 1/4 throttle when turning left at an intersection if the pavement had even a drop of oil on it. I'm a grip guy, so I like a car that will peel your face off in a corner.

Also you still get plenty of that rear-end movement accelerating out of turns, or driving quickly over undulating pavement, where the rear end moves around a little bit under power, with some side-slip and whatnot, so all of that playfulness still comes through, but the car actually sticks to the road rather than sliding the ass end out everywhere, lol.

I like grip as well. I actually feel more confident with the handling abilities in this vehicle than I did in my 16 Camaro SS.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by JR

With that being said, the twins are known for their playful nature at lower speeds due to the stock tires and suspension setup. For the people that upgraded to better tires, do you miss the tail happiness? I know Subaru and Toyota have revised the suspension throughout the years, so that may vary depending on the model year of your vehicle.

2013 FR-S here. I have 615K+ on mine now and sometimes I miss the ability to slide around without much effort but at the same time I enjoy the grip.

One thing that is surprising is how the TC is still over bearing even with the extra grip of good tires. It's a bit ridiculous when you downshift to 4th on the interstate and hit the TC brick wall.

[DarkPira7e]

Yeah I added new tires to mine, is it warps the tarmac if I'm cornering hard. IT JUST DIGS IN TOO GOOD. I've even been cited by the policy for public disturbances when doing this. The whole road shifted 8 feet because of the grip I was putting down! This car owns

[JR]

Originally Posted by ermax

2013 FR-S here. I have 615K+ on mine now and sometimes I miss the ability to slide around without much effort but at the same time I enjoy the grip.

One thing that is surprising is how the TC is still over bearing even with the extra grip of good tires. It's a bit ridiculous when you downshift to 4th on the interstate and hit the TC brick wall.

Yeah, I noticed you can't really shift aggressively without traction control kicking in. I guess I'll have to try this new "Track" mode to see if it actually makes a difference.

[ST185RC]

Just because I put on Air Jordans doesn't make me Michael Jordan.

If this car is classified as too capable for roads with some new tires slapped on, i don't know what that makes all the Lambos, McLarens, Ferraris, Jags, and Porsches I'm seeing on the road.

[JR]

Originally Posted by ST185RC

Just because I put on Air Jordans doesn't make me Michael Jordan.

If this car is classified as too capable for roads with some new tires slapped on, i don't know what that makes all the Lambos, McLarens, Ferraris, Jags, and Porsches I'm seeing on the road.

I admit, it was a bit of a clickbait title

However, most people would look at 200-205hp and immediately think that this car is slow and that a mini van is better. Those vehicles you listed should be banned.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by JR

For the people that upgraded to better tires, do you miss the tail happiness?

So you then upgrade the rear suspension joints with pillowball bushings to gain lively feedback without the tail breaking out.

[slizoth]

I run Michelin Pilot Super Sports, I'm on about 11k miles with them. One of my favorite sections per my commute is coming off the highway going 55-70mph into a T intersection. I particularly enjoy catching the yellow or approaching with speed, hard braking, and then diving into the corner.

Not a regular occurrence mind you but when the conditions are right I make the most of it.

[soundman98]

i did this in my pickup truck with the new tires. is it really that weird to do it in a sports car?

[JR]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i did this in my pickup truck with the new tires. is it really that weird to do it in a sports car?

No, its not. Thanks for your input.