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Old 04-30-2012, 05:32 PM   #43
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We have cars that practically drive themselves these days; the FT-86 was supposed to be a return to the sports car, not another automaton-mobile. Have fun leaving the traction and stability control on while the transmission shifts for you. Maybe you can find someone to press the gas and steer it for you, too.
The dishwasher cycle is automated. You still have total control and timing of your shifts with this AT. The keyword is CONTROL. The only thing it's taking away is the chore of shifting and getting your hands and feet away from where they belong.
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And power, and speed, and $1,100 from your wallet. It's fine, really! I should be thanking you for choosing the auto. Like I said before, 20 years from now when the enthusiasts have run all the manual cars into the ground, there will be plenty of clean, unmolested auto cars left for people to snatch up and do manual conversions to. If we're even driving gas-powered cars 20 years from now at the rate we're going
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If the FR-S/BRZ were offered with a dual clutch sequential gearbox I wouldn't be having this argument.
You may want to review how its being compared to dual clutch transmission performance wise. Its not your ordinary AT, as we just discussed it here yesterday.
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I've read every article reviewing the auto 'box for the past 2 months, just as I'm sure you have. Doesn't change my mind.
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Has it actually been proven that you have to shift before you hit 60 MPH? That was only a problem in the BRZ on that one test car.
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I don't know what it is about a competent automatic that brings out the MT purists with various levels of condescension of those who choose otherwise.

I came here because this car is offering the kind of control a MT offers without the chore of shifting.

I could take my laundry to a river bed with a washboard. No doubt I will really get in touch with the stains, the seams, and the quality of detergent I am using. Now we have machines with buttons for that, just like our transmissions.
If you consider driving a chore I guess your analogy works.
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You may want to review how its being compared to dual clutch transmission performance wise. Its not your ordinary AT, as we just discussed it here yesterday.
Nobody has done real testing on production North American FRS\BRZ 6 spped manual and 6 speed automatics yet. They will in the next 2 weeks.

Now the cars shown in the videos in Japan (86 VS BRZ VS MX-5) are production JDM cars.
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And power, and speed, and $1,100 from your wallet. It's fine, really! I should be thanking you for choosing the auto. Like I said before, 20 years from now when the enthusiasts have run all the manual cars into the ground, there will be plenty of clean, unmolested auto cars left for people to snatch up and do manual conversions to. If we're even driving gas-powered cars 20 years from now at the rate we're going
We don't know yet the drivetrain efficiency of the AT, but given that it locks early on, the dyno results could be similar. We will have to wait on that.

When you say "speed," you mean 0-60? If so, the slightly taller gear ratio might get the AT to true 60 mph without shifting to 3rd, so any advantage that the MT has could be negated in a 0-60 test. We will have to wait on that one too.
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Nobody has done real testing on production North American FRS\BRZ 6 spped manual and 6 speed automatics yet. They will in the next 2 weeks.

Now the cars shown in the videos in Japan (86 VS BRZ VS MX-5) are production JDM cars.
True. But consider this: IS-F tranny is in production for 4 years already. Unless they completely messed up, trying to cut costs, it should be exactly like IS-F 1-6 gears and practically the same ECU.

MT on the other hand - indeed a brand new one.

JDM video was funny - I wonder why BRZ won over 86 by a rather big margin. I was surprised to see that.
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Doesn't change my mind.
And I'm not even trying. Its just that your Jackie's impression sends the wrong message about morden day ATs. Thats all.
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Ignore it. Its a teens territory, let them measure their balls.
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True. But consider this: IS-F tranny is in production for 4 years already. Unless they completely messed up, trying to cut costs, it should be exactly like IS-F 1-6 gears and practically the same ECU.

MT on the other hand - indeed a brand new one.

JDM video was funny - I wonder why BRZ won over 86 by a rather big margin. I was surprised to see that.
The automatic transmission probably uses similar shift logic to the IS-F but mechanically it appears to be the 6-speed auto from an IS250, the A960E.
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I guess my definition of driving is different than yours.

Look, I don't care if you want a CVT or a dishwasher in the 86; a manual transmission is fun.

I don't think you're less of a man for wanting an auto, hell, it's probably faster on a track, but I'll never be on a track.

A good manual provides an experience and a level of involvement that I don't think an auto will ever have. But driving a MT shouldn't be a chore. If it is, well, thank Toyobaru for making your dreams come true.
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