SCCA Solo D Street discussion

[trippinbillies40]

They're already working on classing the cars. Personally I would expect to see them classed in the upcoming fastrack.

[nico_rsx]

Here is the email I received friday regarding my letter:

Your letter has been reviewed by the Solo Events Board and will soon appear in an upcoming Fastrack. An additional email will follow this email giving you more details. Here are your letter details:
Letter: #21447
Category: Street
Class: Sall
Title: 2017 BRZ & 86 classification
Author's Request: Please class the 2017 BRZ & 86 in street catagory.


So next fastrack we will know I guess. I just don't know when the next fastrack will be.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by cowdog360

Here's the classing info from SCCA solo for this year:
http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files...pdf?1485464811

Twins are in DS unless you have the TRD package on your FRS.

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Sorry, not trying to be a pain in the rear but it actually does Appendix A Automobile Classes, page 148 of the rule book. Under D-Street Subaru BRZ (2013-16).

No mention of 2017 BRZ or 86 in the street class section at this time, so they're not eligible until classed. That having been said, they WILL be classed before Dixie I'm sure, and in the meantime, it would be up to your local region to enforce what class they feel the car is fit in until the national office officially places it. I think it's likely they'll be in CS.

Linked document. No Appendix A because it's not the full rule book. I appreciate that you are trying to be as correct as possible but you are not reading what I said and you clearly never clicked the link and just assumed it was the full rulebook.

[solort]

Originally Posted by nico_rsx

Here is the email I received friday regarding my letter:

Your letter has been reviewed by the Solo Events Board and will soon appear in an upcoming Fastrack. An additional email will follow this email giving you more details. Here are your letter details:
Letter: #21447
Category: Street
Class: Sall
Title: 2017 BRZ & 86 classification
Author's Request: Please class the 2017 BRZ & 86 in street catagory.


So next fastrack we will know I guess. I just don't know when the next fastrack will be.

It is usually posted around the 21st of each month. Thank you for sending the letter

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by Locust

Linked document. No Appendix A because it's not the full rule book. I appreciate that you are trying to be as correct as possible but you are not reading what I said and you clearly never clicked the link and just assumed it was the full rulebook.

Appendix A is part of the full rule book and is the one that matters. It's a separate link from the "full rule book" for convenience of not having to download the whole thing to find your correct class.

[dvalue]

What's everyone's alignment settings? I was thinking of going with 1/8" out up front and 1/16" in on the rear

[Twinz]

I don't think these cars need a lot of toe out up front. They turn-in well stock, and I don't want any more tire "scrub" than is absolutely necessary.

I ran more aggressive toe on my STU Z front and rear, but it wasn't as naturally nimble as the twins and had enough torque and power that tire scrub wasn't a concern to me.

I stayed in CS with my FRS and have been happy with what I call "ghost toe"....basically zero front and rear but IIRC it's actually 1mm total toe-in rear and half a mm toe out up front. (Almost zero for both)

[DaWorstPlaya]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

You're not reading that correctly. The current classing shows 2013-2016 cars and makes no mention of the 2017 cars, regardless of PP or not. I think it's likely we'll see all of the 2017 twins in CS due to shorter gearing, as crazy as that is.

I really hope so, it would definitely breath new life into the DS as the older twins are ubiquitous and cheap now. I don't think people realize what a big difference the 5HP combined with the gearing is. A multi-time national champion said the stock 17 BRZ felt like a fully prepped STX twin in terms of power. The top speed in gearing is not enough to make up the difference. It would really kill the 13-16 Twins if allowed in DS, IMHO.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya

I really hope so, it would definitely breath new life into the DS as the older twins are ubiquitous and cheap now. I don't think people realize what a big difference the 5HP combined with the gearing is. A multi-time national champion said the stock 17 BRZ felt like a fully prepped STX twin in terms of power. The top speed in gearing is not enough to make up the difference. It would really kill the 13-16 Twins if allowed in DS, IMHO.

If the 2017s end up in DS and are demonstrably better than the 13'-16' then I'm done with SCCA. They mess with the street classes too much and their "philosophy", as I was told by one of the SEB members, is to put the popular cars where they can win, and not worry about the less popular ones. CS is already going to be ND Miata or bust. We saw that this past year just in the first season of the car it pretty much smoked the competition. If they move us all to DS and then let the 2017s be the car to have I'm not playing these car swapping games anymore.

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by Locust

If the 2017s end up in DS and are demonstrably better than the 13'-16' then I'm done with SCCA. They mess with the street classes too much and their "philosophy", as I was told by one of the SEB members, is to put the popular cars where they can win, and not worry about the less popular ones. CS is already going to be ND Miata or bust. We saw that this past year just in the first season of the car it pretty much smoked the competition. If they move us all to DS and then let the 2017s be the car to have I'm not playing these car swapping games anymore.

Please write this letter to the SEB. They do listen.

I feel the SEB and its advisory committees have been far more willing to bend to member input than in years past.

[M0nk3y]

Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya

I really hope so, it would definitely breath new life into the DS as the older twins are ubiquitous and cheap now. I don't think people realize what a big difference the 5HP combined with the gearing is. A multi-time national champion said the stock 17 BRZ felt like a fully prepped STX twin in terms of power. The top speed in gearing is not enough to make up the difference. It would really kill the 13-16 Twins if allowed in DS, IMHO.

Ughhh, who said that?

Anyways, it'll be buried in CS most likely. If it does get classed in DS, it'll be on a separate line and will have the potential to get booted if it becomes overdog status.

I wouldn't freak out

[dutchman1]

The street classes do change a lot. Ten years from now all the 86 variations will probably be in ES together lol

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by M0nk3y

Ughhh, who said that?

I don't know who DaWorstPlaya is on here but since he's from Denver, I'm sure I know him haha. And I'm also pretty sure he's talking about my former roommate Mayfield, because Chris got a chance to drive Justin's car and said that exact thing.

You're not scared I'm getting a '17 are ya?

And don't fret too much, talk to Annie if you want a list of reasons the '17 won't do well in STX apparently hehe.

[DaWorstPlaya]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

I don't know who DaWorstPlaya is on here but since he's from Denver, I'm sure I know him haha. And I'm also pretty sure he's talking about my former roommate Mayfield, because Chris got a chance to drive Justin's car and said that exact thing.

Yes. We're all OVR/ex-OVR members.

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

You're not scared I'm getting a '17 are ya?

I'm shaking in my boots, can't you tell?!?