FRS vs Camaro Handling - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

DIF · 04-12-2017, 12:11 PM

My friend just bought a Camaro SS 1LE, and insists it will handle better than an FRS/BRZ/86. What are your thoughts folks?

timmydatooth · 04-12-2017, 12:13 PM

considering its a lot heavier than our twins. probably not.

jvincent · 04-12-2017, 12:22 PM

Set up some cones in a parking lot and challenge him to a slalom.

murdoc · 04-12-2017, 12:38 PM

If your car is stock it'll do everything your car can do and more.

DarkSunrise · 04-12-2017, 12:42 PM

Depends what you mean by handling.

But solely in terms of lateral grip (with your FR-S on OEM touring Primacy's or all-season Turanzas), he's right.

8RZ · 04-12-2017, 12:50 PM

Didn't one of the new Camaros do really well on the Nurburgring track?

ichitaka05 · 04-12-2017, 12:55 PM

Define "Handling"? Term "Handling" can define differently by everyone. Because it have different meaning for everyone. Even if you're talking about weight shift/transition can change w tire quality (& suspension). Corner speed or how fast can go through the course/track can be different w driver.

So again, define "handling"

TommyW · 04-12-2017, 01:02 PM

As mentioned "handling" is relative to opinions. Camaro is bigger and heavier so not a nimble.

Dougboy · 04-12-2017, 01:04 PM

A 1LE will beat an M3. Can an 86 beat an M3?

8RZ · 04-12-2017, 01:09 PM

Why don't you two switch cars and find out?

funwheeldrive · 04-12-2017, 01:14 PM

The Camaro should win on any course that's not the size of a parking lot.

Assuming the Camaro driver can see where they are going.

Tcoat · 04-12-2017, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TommyW

As mentioned "handling" is relative to opinions. Camaro is bigger and heavier so not a nimble.

Have you driven the latest incarnation of a Camaro? They are very nimble. The size and weight is way down and very deceiving when you just look at the numbers.

PNW FRS · 04-12-2017, 02:24 PM

I test drove one last weekend.... it's pretty darn nice!! The v6 with MT is pretty good and the "handling" is on-par with the 86. The "difference" from the driver's seat is that the Camaro definitely "feels heavier" (cuz it is...) so don't expect it to feel as "nimble" as the 86. But that said... one can push the 1LE hard into a turn and it's solid...with just a hint of understeer.

"Lightly optioned" beyond the 1LE package, it's only a few thousand more than a new 86/BRZ.

Adding a v8 to the mix is not really necessary unless one has the need to lay down a lot of rubber. The extra weight up-front (with v8) definitely can be "felt' when in hard turns.... BUT... it's still good and fun!

My only complaint about the Camaro in general is the SMALL trunk. There's no carrying more than two small suitcases let alone 4 wheels/tires in the back like one can with a 86!!

LOLS2K · 04-12-2017, 02:30 PM

Even if the Camaro is better at "handling" , does that make you feel any different about your car?

04-12-2017, 12:11 PM	#1
DIF Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: FR-S in Firestorm, Katzkin, alpine Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 145 Thanks: 95 Thanked 81 Times in 37 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	FRS vs Camaro Handling My friend just bought a Camaro SS 1LE, and insists it will handle better than an FRS/BRZ/86. What are your thoughts folks?

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DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,794 Thanks: 2,164 Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Depends what you mean by handling. But solely in terms of lateral grip (with your FR-S on OEM touring Primacy's or all-season Turanzas), he's right. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

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PNW FRS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 581 Thanks: 230 Thanked 342 Times in 189 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Considering v6 1LE I test drove one last weekend.... it's pretty darn nice!! The v6 with MT is pretty good and the "handling" is on-par with the 86. The "difference" from the driver's seat is that the Camaro definitely "feels heavier" (cuz it is...) so don't expect it to feel as "nimble" as the 86. But that said... one can push the 1LE hard into a turn and it's solid...with just a hint of understeer. "Lightly optioned" beyond the 1LE package, it's only a few thousand more than a new 86/BRZ. Adding a v8 to the mix is not really necessary unless one has the need to lay down a lot of rubber. The extra weight up-front (with v8) definitely can be "felt' when in hard turns.... BUT... it's still good and fun! My only complaint about the Camaro in general is the SMALL trunk. There's no carrying more than two small suitcases let alone 4 wheels/tires in the back like one can with a 86!! __________________ 2013 Asphalt / MT Olympia, Washington

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timmydatooth Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Drives: Scion Frs Location: Florida Posts: 342 Thanks: 74 Thanked 32 Times in 27 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	considering its a lot heavier than our twins. probably not.

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jvincent Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2022 WRB BRZ Sport-Tech Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,746 Thanks: 131 Thanked 1,410 Times in 715 Posts Mentioned: 25 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Set up some cones in a parking lot and challenge him to a slalom.

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murdoc Sometimes I'm wrong. Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: '13 FR-S/'96 240SX Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 366 Thanks: 91 Thanked 316 Times in 152 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If your car is stock it'll do everything your car can do and more.

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TommyW Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: '13 Whiteout Location: San Clemente Posts: 1,491 Thanks: 496 Thanked 1,242 Times in 673 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	As mentioned "handling" is relative to opinions. Camaro is bigger and heavier so not a nimble.

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Dougboy Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Drives: acura tsx Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 34 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	A 1LE will beat an M3. Can an 86 beat an M3?

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