How fast is the GT86 on track?

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Just for reference (I'm considering a C6 Z06 down the line, so this was interesting to me):

Z06
R6's - $1598
Ultraleggeras - $2008
Hawk DTC70 - $580
Centric blanks - $244
Oil (10.5 q) - $83
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$4513

FR-S
R6's - $1108
Ultraleggeras - $1100
Hawk DTC60 - $358
Centric blanks - $192
Oil (6 q) - $45
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$2803

Like I said C6 Z06 tires are not that cheap due to size 18/19 285 n the front and 325 in the rear

but for the C5 Z06 it would be more like
NT01s front/rear ~800-900
OEM wheels (because they're forged, cheap and lightweiht and made by speedline) ~400-500 a set !!!!
ST43s- ~$
Centric blanks ~$240
oil ~$50 ( Mobil 1 0w-40 european formula because it's recommended)

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TOTAL $2050

even for the C6 Z06 I would get a used Grand Sport wheels since they're also lighter than the most aftermarket wheels and dirt cheap (About $500 for a set) and look for other tire alternatives..but if you want the ultimate grip I think you have the bite the bullet and go with R6 or similar tires I think

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by glamcem

Like I said C6 Z06 tires are not that cheap due to size 18/19 285 n the front and 325 in the rear

but for the C5 Z06 it would be more like
NT01s front/rear ~800-900
OEM wheels (because they're forged, cheap and lightweiht and made by speedline) ~400-500 a set !!!!
ST43s- ~$
Centric blanks ~$240
oil ~$50 ( Mobil 1 0w-40 european formula because it's recommended)

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TOTAL $2050

even for the C6 Z06 I would get a used Grand Sport wheels since they're also lighter than the most aftermarket wheels and dirt cheap (About $500 for a set) and look for other tire alternatives..but if you want the ultimate grip I think you have the bite the bullet and go with R6 or similar tires I think

Yeah I'm beginning to think the C5Z is the way to go if the car will be tracked regularly. Helps that the car is much cheaper to begin with, although the C6Z is definitely the looker of the two IMO.

[glamcem]

my old cars with OEM wheels

[DarkSunrise]

^^^

Nice looking cars. Why did you sell them?

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah I'm beginning to think the C5Z is the way to go if the car will be tracked regularly. Helps that the car is much cheaper to begin with, although the C6Z is definitely the looker of the two IMO.

if you like the C6 platform ( well it's a newer more advanced car) , I think the Grand Sport might be a better choice because of the cost.. with the money you spend on a used Z06 you can always get a slightly used or even some left over car 2013 in a dealer lot.. it still shares the same brakes, rotors, dry sump system and LS3 said to be more reliable than the LS7 and cheaper to replace ..

with a good set of headers and tune 420-430whp is very possible and very close to stock Z06 power levels with the shorter gears, my 2 cents

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

^^^

Nice looking cars. Why did you sell them?

because roads are not that good here in PNW compared to Florida and people drive extremely slow..other than the few months in track season you never really get a chance to feel the power ..

also I never owned a really light car in the past so I wanted to try Miata and BRZ ..also the steering feel on the BRZ is better in my opinion (may not be a game changer for many people though)

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by glamcem

if you like the C6 platform ( well it's a newer more advanced car) , I think the Grand Sport might be a better choice because of the cost.. with the money you spend on a used Z06 you can always get a slightly used or even some left over car 2013 in a dealer lot.. it still shares the same brakes, rotors, dry sump system and LS3 said to be more reliable than the LS7 and cheaper to replace ..

with a good set of headers and tune 420-430whp is very possible and very close to stock Z06 power levels with the shorter gears, my 2 cents

Yeah I've thought about the GS as well. It definitely makes sense, might be the middle ground. BTW that's pretty impressive power on the C6-GS with just the headers and tune.

Originally Posted by glamcem

because roads are not that good here in PNW compared to Florida and people drive extremely slow..other than the few months in track season you never really get a chance to feel the power ..

also I never owned a really light car in the past so I wanted to try Miata and BRZ ..also the steering feel on the BRZ is better in my opinion (may not be a game changer for many people though)

That makes sense. You seem to hit the track pretty frequently, so I figured you'd be the last person to sell a C5-Z or C6-GS, but it's nice trying philosophically different cars out too. For me, the debate is whether to keep modifying the FR-S (JRSC, coilover, BBK) versus trying something different like a Vette or 911. Life's so short!

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

corvettes have a maintenance cost?


well.. maybe brake pads/rotors, I hear they go through a lot of those.

Blown engines in Z06's due to valves breaking is not an uncommon 'maintenance' cost...

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah I've thought about the GS as well. It definitely makes sense, might be the middle ground. BTW that's pretty impressive power on the C6-GS with just the headers and tune.



That makes sense. You seem to hit the track pretty frequently, so I figured you'd be the last person to sell a C5-Z or C6-GS, but it's nice trying philosophically different cars out too. For me, the debate is whether to keep modifying the FR-S (JRSC, coilover, BBK) versus trying something different like a Vette or 911. Life's so short!

exactly life is too short for one fast car

C6 GS makes a bit more power than the C5 Z06 and C5 Z06 with headers and a few lightweight parts and you can be below 3000lbs..

with that said the good thing about the GS, you can choose not the modify the car since it has plenty of power and only do handling and braking mods..with the extended GM Warranty (100 k miles)

or can just stick to what you have like you said, I think it's worth to explore this car (FRS/BRZ) with the mods you listed but without the added power it's plain boring IMHO

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

Blown engines in Z06's due to valves breaking is not an uncommon 'maintenance' cost...

Are you referring to the valve springs? because I had my valve spring fail on me once but I didn't blow the engine.. it's a pretty easy and cheap upgrade for some reason C5 Z06 engines use yellow, german made valve springs (not sure why, lol) and I upgraded them with 800whp rated US made ones ..easy fix..

if I knew it earlier that would be my first upgrade for sure

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by CSG David

The 86 is capable. It teaches you how to drive better.

This is the main reason I got the BRZ

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by glamcem

exactly life is too short for one fast car

C6 GS makes a bit more power than the C5 Z06 and C5 Z06 with headers and a few lightweight parts and you can be below 3000lbs..

with that said the good thing about the GS, you can choose not the modify the car since it has plenty of power and only do handling and braking mods..with the extended GM Warranty (100 k miles)

or can just stick to what you have like you said, I think it's worth to explore this car (FRS/BRZ) with the mods you listed but without the added power it's plain boring IMHO

Out of curiosity, among the C5-Z, C6-GS, and KWSC-BRZ, which did you enjoy the most at the track? BTW hope you don't mind me picking your brain a bit, just rare to find someone who's tried most of the routes I'm considering.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by LoCo

Maybe I'm just bored really but the 86 seems like the most rewarding car when driven right... And I'm scared I still don't know how to drive any better than average because evos are so easy to druve - and I mean easy. They let you get away with almost anything stupid... And the 86 seems like the perfect choice to take it back to square 1. Fast car at low speeds

It's like a slightly faster Miata.

There's a reason the Miata is so popular as a "learning" car.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah I'm beginning to think the C5Z is the way to go if the car will be tracked regularly. Helps that the car is much cheaper to begin with, although the C6Z is definitely the looker of the two IMO.

If you want fast for cheap, the C5Z is the way to go. I can guarantee that you'll be using the power as a crutch though.

How many videos have you seen where the vette driver won't go WOT until they're pointed straight *after* the corner? How many of these drivers smoothly transition from partial to full throttle?

These are skills that you most likely will not learn in a vette.